Stem cells in a pill?!?

www.healthycells.co.za/view-product.asp?id=32

Even if it does what it says...
Of what use are stem cells to a healthy adult?

Opinions?

Ooh very intersting topic, part of my research

Beesting wrote:

Ooh very intersting topic, part of my research

Really?
So, if I were to increase my adult stem cells (ASC) by 30%, would that benefit me at all?
Stem cells grow fetuses organs, limbs and everything else.
I have everything that I need, unless I physically damage myself would this help me?
Or will it repair typical wear and tear of one's body?

Well stem cells differentiate to become a certain cell that it is destined to become through various signaling pathways and the expression and silencing of various genes. The problem I see with this product though is that it increases the release of stem cells from the bone marrow which means you have far more stem cells circulating in the blood stream but what if mutations occur in DNA, such as those that make cells become cancerous, then surely this will lead to a much faster spread of cancer throughout the body and a much more rapid onset and then you ae pretty f***ed after that. Also these stem cells (mutated if they are) will give rise to even more stem cells.

I dont know much about this product, Im still looking over it but we have done fine without it until today.

Well I dont know if the study that the product mentions is true because they dont give a reference for the study

I'm not too worried about whether this product and/or it's ingredient is bogus.

I want to know if an increase in my stem cells will benefit me?
What do ASC's do?

After we know this, we can worry about whether the product does increase ASC's.

BTW, thanks for the info Beesting

ASCs just constantly renew cells of tissues in the body. Cells are constantly being produced and dying all the time. An increase will benefit you as the more ASCs you have the more ASCs and differentiated cells you will produce. So say for muscle growth, you need more muscle cells to grow so you would then need more ASCs to differentiate into muscle cells

Ah, thanx.
I thought something along those lines...

So the amount of ASC's you have determines the rate at which cells can be regenerated, within reasonable human bounds of course?

And I suppose this product may only be of use to people who have lower than normal levels of ASC.
The same that applies for a teenager who won't benefit from tribulus...

Pretty much, cos its exponential, but there also needs to be a balance between cell division and cell death. Well if it does what the product says it does then it should benefit those with below levels of ASCs.

Nerd, this sounds a bit dodgey to me man.
firstly the what beesting said about mutations occuring is a major concern.
I dont think every single one will become cancerous but cancer results from deficient cells continuing on the meiotic cycle and replicating into more deficient cells that just clog up the system and become tumour so your asking for it if you try and increase the production of stem cells that way...the technology is all there but i dont think the research is complete and i dont know the latest because im only a student but i doubt it would be on the market especially one you can find over the web that isn't on a site dedicated to research or testing...i would find it more believable if they were talking about growing organs from stem cells for transplants not about healing scars and anti aging.

The product wont help with anti-ageing though, we dont age because of the number of stem cells we have, its to do with telomeres which are at the ends of our chromosomes, they get shorter and shorter as we age. Also I dont think the product helps with producing ASCs, they say it just helps release them so if you are defficient in ASCs, it wont help produce them faster.

Yeah,
the thing is, this is nothing definite about this product.
When they start mentioning exactly what is wrong with my body, how it happens, how to fix it and lastly how this product acomplishes the "fixing" that's when you can believe a product...
1. This product vaguely mentions low levels of ASC causing "However, as you age, the number and quality of stem cells that circulate in your body gradually decrease, leaving your body more susceptible to injury and other age-related health challenges"
So the problem is "increased chance of injury and age-related health challenges (which aren't really curable anyway IMO )"
2. I think they want us to believe that low levels of ASC are the cause of the above.
Still no exact processes are mentioned, they don't say how these ills occur.
3. They also don't say how to "fix" these ills.
4. And lastly the only thing we can go by, is the "fact" that increasing ASC can cure these problems...

Thus according to my 4 step proving theory, this product falls under the gimmick and hype category.

I will agree with you on that

Sorry if it sound like I'm ranting... but...

This is like a typical American product, where you first have to create a need for the product in order to sell it.
"The American economy is the greatest creator of needs."

In this (most cases) case a problem was created in order to sell the product.

Sorry if it sound like I'm ranting... but...

This is like a typical American product, where you first have to create a need for the product in order to sell it.
"The American economy is the greatest creator of needs."

In this (most cases) case a problem was created in order to sell the product.

But that's how advertising works, its how companies sell their products. And ppl spend tons of money on products, many of which are just placebo effects because ppl are 'brain washed' by all the advertising tricks that help sell a product

Beesting wrote:

The product wont help with anti-ageing though, we dont age because of the number of stem cells we have, its to do with telomeres which are at the ends of our chromosomes, they get shorter and shorter as we age.

Telomeres are only a small fraction of what constitutes aging. There are millions of other factors, cell stress, oxidative stress, etc... Stem cell therapy may very well one day be used to effectively treat aging by replenishing cells that have been lost due to either of the many things that cause aging.

Wow, I am astonished by the all the clever replies. And if I may add that all these geniuses (N3rd, Beesting+Inja) all reside in Gauteng. Must be something in the water.

As much as there are positive and negative sides stem cells have shown to cure type-1 diabetes. Some believe you have to be a 'certain candidate' I have been following this for many years now when they first started the tests on a set of twins.

I do remember a law being passed or a ban being put in place for this type of research and didn't Obama turn this over? And he did this because of the new research found instead of using fertilized embryo they started using blank embryonic cells / skin cells.

Whatever the pro's and con's are it does look promising. I just believe diabetes is such a multibillion dollar business that it’s going to take a long time before the government will just stand up against the pharmaceutical giants and stop getting taxes off all the products and say hey here is a cure. It's the same as hypertension, tell me 1 pill that 'cures' hypertension, it's a blockbuster drug that just has to constantly be used to 'manage' the condition.

I also like where its going with regards to burn victims, cardiovascular diseases, arthritis... what i'm also hoping is that it can / will be used for treatment of the liver and kidney and may be used to repair those damaged cells. From what I read stem cells do have the ability to convert into renal cells, ah wait I just found out the kidneys can be repaired using autologous mesenchymal stem cell transplant intraarterially. I'm going to do some more research on this, I want to see if there are any clinical trials for this... hmmmm

Mmmhh... RandWater, yum yum...

I also like the possiblities that stem cell research creates, and I hope you may someday find help for your kidneys 00pump...

I've decided it's better to inject steroids into your brain so it works quicker, so tonight i'll inject into my temple so it's not in my ass, close to my kidneys LOL

Yeah stem cells will one day be regular place in therapy... But as with anything new the human race takes forever to get off its ass a progress. One day we will regrow entire organs without problem.

The issue is that there is no focus. Only certain fields of research (promising big bucks) are funded. And to be perfectly honest most scientist are bufoons. Half educated idiots, the lot of them. I get so frustrated with half the idiots I work with. On top of it the real intelligent people at the top get lost in science. Everything becomes about research and understanding and it takes forever before someone stops and says, hey, wait, we have the fucken answer right in front of us. Lets all just combined our money and time and get this fucken thing out there.

We could have solutions to so many of the world health problems if everybody wasn't a fucken moron.

Also, they should open up testing on prisoners. There is only so much you can do with guinea pigs and monkeys, the human body is a different organism. Fuck, they should open testing on all the worlds idiots... But that would leave us with ~8billion test subjects and only a handful of scientists, so probably not sustainable.

Rant...

www.dailytech.com/Muscle+Injury+in+Mice+...ant/article20134.htm

Me want some !