BCAA's toxic to brain cells...!!

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11 Apr 2010 22:06 #42298 by N3rd
BCAA's toxic to brain cells...!! was created by N3rd
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19763733
This study shows that high levels of BCAA concentration in the brain, is bad for the brain cells and can lead to damage and conditions.

This BB.com thread is quite an interesting read.
forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122813821

Any valuable comments?

Inja??? :)

It comes down to something like, 25g of BCAA every day can lead to damage...

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12 Apr 2010 08:08 #42308 by Jayman
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dude that's complete bull...
if that's true then I should be brain damaged long time ago.
besides how can amino acids (the building blocks of protein) which we have tons of in our bodies naturally be harmfull?

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12 Apr 2010 08:12 #42309 by Wayne
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The key is moderation, anything in excess will damage you eventually! Sittin in front of my pc posting here for too long could very well be toxic for my brain too...

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12 Apr 2010 10:58 #42313 by Sting
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Here is the pdf of the full article if you guys want it to read (File Removed)

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12 Apr 2010 11:20 #42314 by North_Boy1
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Beesting wrote:

Here is the pdf of the full article if you guys want it to read (File Removed)


Beesting, I am sure you have an opinion that can be given in one sentence ??

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12 Apr 2010 11:27 #42315 by Sting
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I will give one once I've read the paper, I read the abstract that was posted in the link and it doesnt tell you much

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12 Apr 2010 11:56 #42316 by Barbell
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I don`t think the supplementation of BCAA`S causes it based on the article below...

New insights into the causes of brain damage in MSUD
Written by Dr. Huseyin Mehmet
Thursday, December 20 2001 09:31
Dr. Huseyin Mehmet (London, England) is a lecturer in neurobiology at the Weston Laboratory, a division of Paediatrics, Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, Hammersmith Hospital. He is doing research which may eventually have an important impact on infants with MSUD. He will be sharing more on his research as a speaker at Symposium 2002.

Maple syrup urine disease (MSUD) is an inborn error of metabolism caused by a deficiency in branched chain a-ketoacid dehydrogenase, leading to the accumulation of the branched chain amino-acids (BCAA), leucine, valine and isoleucine, and a corresponding increase in their a-keto-acid derivatives (BCKA), a-keto isocaproic acid, a-keto valeric acid, and a-keto-?-methyl-n-valeric acid levels. Acute neurological deterioration in children is often associated with increased plasma and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) concentrations of BCAA and BCKA. Magnetic resonance imaging studies in MSUD children have confirmed extensive white matter loss and neuronal injury.

Although the underlying mechanisms of cellular toxicity are not known, there is direct evidence that BCKA affect mitochondrial enzymes resulting in impaired energy metabolism. It has recently been demonstrated by a number of laboratories, including our own, that reduced mitochondrial function can trigger cell death by apoptosis (a well conserved and highly regulated mechanism of cell death used for the removal of unnecessary, surplus, aged or damaged cells). From a therapeutic point, apoptosis is attractive since it can be inhibited at specific stages, in some cases resulting in tissue recovery. Since concentrations of BCAA are increased in the CSF, we hypothesized that pathological changes in the central nervous system of MSUD children may reflect a neurotoxic effect of BCAA and BCKA triggering inappropriate apoptosis of neural cells.

Our results (recently published in Molecular Biology of the Cell) showed that increased concentrations of MSUD metabolites, in particular a-keto isocaproic acid (KICA), specifically induced apoptosis in glial and neuronal cells in culture. Apoptosis was associated with a reduction in cell respiration and, significantly, KICA also triggered neuronal apoptosis in vivo following intracerebral injection into the developing rat brain. These findings suggest that in MSUD children, neurodegeneration may result, at least in part, from mitochondrial damage due to the accumulation of BCAA and BCKA.

In the future, we aim to focus on the precise mechanism of KICA toxicity. We have already ascertained that KICA-induced apoptosis is not accompanied by the release of cytochrome c from mitochondria to the cytosol, a common occurrence in apoptotic cells. This suggests that an alternative pathway for apoptotic execution exists. Our goal is to dissect this death pathway in vulnerable brain cells exposed to physiological combinations of BCAA and BCKA.

With this approach, we hope to identify appropriate therapeutic targets to inhibit or delay apoptosis. If this strategy succeeds, there are potential implications for cerebroprotection in MSUD children. The brains of babies are less than one fifth the size of adults'. Saving a few thousand brain cells in MSUD babies from apoptotic death would result in millions of cells in the adult that would otherwise have been wiped out by the accumulation of BCAA /BCKA. In this way, the neurological deficit associated with MSUD would be minimized.

Our findings may also have implications for disease management. Diet is critical in MSUD patients and the vast majority of patients manage the disease successfully by carefully restricting BCAA intake. Nevertheless, even with the most diligent care, children can sometimes undergo a metabolic crisis. These episodes can result in brain damage if undetected and untreated. Understandably, the constant threat can put immense strain on the families of MSUD children. If our preliminary findings are confirmed, anti apoptotic therapy may be a way to minimize cell damage resulting from BCAA/BCKA accumulation. We hope that the potential clinical applications of our research can offer these children and their families the chance of a better quality of life.

msud-support.org/index.php?view=article&...com_content&Itemid=5

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12 Apr 2010 12:21 #42317 by Sting
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Well so far nothing can be said as to whether or not excess BCAAs are the cause for neurotoxicity due to NMDA receptor overstimulation. So far it is just a link that they have found and still other factors play a role such as the genetic profile of the individual...it seems that it may be common in the Italian population (increased risk for ALS) but its most likely because they have mutations in the genes that metabolize and transport these BCAAs which increases the prevalence. Anyways, a lot more research about this still has to come, esp when it has not been studied in humans, its only been studied in cell culutures, and not even in other animal models such as mice etc.

So dont stress, take your BCAAs but keep it in moderation like Wayne said

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12 Apr 2010 12:43 #42318 by Wayne
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Beesting wrote:

Well so far nothing can be said as to whether or not excess BCAAs are the cause for neurotoxicity due to NMDA receptor overstimulation. So far it is just a link that they have found and still other factors play a role such as the genetic profile of the individual...it seems that it may be common in the Italian population (increased risk for ALS) but its most likely because they have mutations in the genes that metabolize and transport these BCAAs which increases the prevalence. Anyways, a lot more research about this still has to come, esp when it has not been studied in humans, its only been studied in cell culutures, and not even in other animal models such as mice etc.

So dont stress, take your BCAAs but keep it in moderation like Wayne said


Yipppeeee.....the resident genius agrees with me...

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12 Apr 2010 12:54 #42319 by Sting
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lol...no need to get sooooo excited ;)

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12 Apr 2010 13:38 #42323 by Tippster
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Beesting - What do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking?

Thanks

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12 Apr 2010 19:01 #42339 by Sting
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Im still a student, doing my second year of masters in molecular and cell biology

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12 Apr 2010 19:48 #42341 by jackrabbit1
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Beesting wrote:

Im still a student, doing my second year of masters in molecular and cell biology


You may be a student but those other 2 degrees you have also qualifies you i'd say.

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