Heat, Lava no energy buzz??

Hi

I am new to steroids and stuff. But have been using all kinds of fat burners for past 7years now. Always used eph - hcl powder with caffeine and asprin and that was potent. We used that for the rugby and you just needed to take like a finger point and then you would buzz and get goosebumps. About a 2 years ago our supplier can't get the powder anymore. So we looked elsewhere and started using heat, atomic and lava fat burners. We also got eca stack from same company that made superbol. Now recently all the fat burners they don't work anymore. I have been using them on and off and also have lots of friends who use them and they all say that it is not so effective anymore. Did they remove the ephe hcl from all the fat burners? Cause I know that it is banned now and can't get the powder anymore. Also used ephedrex tabs but they were not effective. I took like 5 tabs and no buzz. Is there any real eca stack available anymore? that has not been weakened or had ephed hcl removed? I am looking for something that will give me massive energy buzz while training and nothing comes close to ephed hcl and the old original eca stack. But it can't be found anywhere. All the other fat burnes is loaded with niacin and other stuff. But none has real ephe hcl in. Please help me in regards to this?

heat is a real eca stack and one of the best, so you are either getting fakes or you dont give your beta receptors enough time to upregulate again before cycling it

ryan777 - i know exactly what you mean. I still use Heat at 1 tab 4 times a day. Heats me up and assists in burning fat.

DONT expect a E/Amphetamine type energy rush like in the old days. I also miss that.
But, if you take the HEAT and come up on it while training it is quite effective.

I have a sneaky suspicion that the new Heat does not have Eph HCL in it anymore, but its been substituted with ephedra or maybe even sida cordifolia? The old heat had a white chemical tasting like powder, new heat looks/tastes more herbal to me... :dry:

guys heat does contain real eph,i have tried ephadra burners at 100mg of ephadra and they dont give the energy of heat,the crash that u get from eph based burners is from adrenal over stimulation...hence the crash...i recon the difference between eph hcl crystals and eca burners is that eph is fast disolving and gets in the system fast and hard but after 2-3hours later it wears off, the eca stack probably slows down the absorption into the blood hence no extreme wired effect... its like taking something orally or intravenously, the direct shot in to the blood will work alot quicker than something taken orally

DJ wrote: guys heat does contain real eph,i have tried ephadra burners at 100mg of ephadra and they dont give the energy of heat,the crash that u get from eph based burners is from adrenal over stimulation...hence the crash...i recon the difference between eph hcl crystals and eca burners is that eph is fast disolving and gets in the system fast and hard but after 2-3hours later it wears off, the eca stack probably slows down the absorption into the blood hence no extrem e wired effect... its like taking something orally or intravenously, the direct shot in to the blood will work alot quicker than something taken orally

Not a chance on this one Bud. I've been around the block a couple of times. The old Heat was alot more of a party pill. I'll do the toungue test tomorrow.
I have even snorted the Old Heat in a moment of madness 2 new-years ago. That and some curry powder.

This new one is still doing its job raising body temp etc.

I take 2 tablets I feel nothing. Touch finger in mouth, slightly touch pure eph, powder and lick that and your head is tingly down your neck.. that is what eph does, and you telling me 2 of these tabs I can't even feel it.. no ways there is eph in them or in nomad eca stack, if there is its freaking micoscopic amount.

each to their own then,i believe in the product and it seems to work quite well so i dunno guys....I've also used those little white eph tabs,the 30mg ones,i have gobbled down 4 at once and i didnt even get those effects of eph crystals...

Ok, I'm going to piss off allot of people now, but the new HEAT is the worst crap I've ever waisted money on.

It's not only ryan777, N3rd, pump and myself but I hear allot of complaints. I'm going to test a new "real" ECA-stack after I give a small break for the receptors and I really hope it delivers. The stack I talk about contains the proper Eph HCL, Caffeine and Asprin used in the pharmaceutical industry.

I used to love the old formulation and recommended it to hundreds of people, but since the new one came out people have not been impressed at all and it makes me look bad for recommending it.

at the end of the day,are you guys looking for a party drug or a fat burner,i have no problems with it as a fat burner admin....i am sure the heat guys are reading this and taking notes thats for sure,yes i get the fact that some people crash on it....but i've also heard guys say that its probably the best burner they have ever taken...so i dunno,,,

I'm referring to the results and I do hope the HEAT guy takes notice, because I will not badmouth a product unless I'm sure of the facts. The new formula probably still works, but the point is that it's not as good as the older bottles.

I have no intention to cause trouble, but I felt really disappointed after experiencing the differences in the two formulas.

well i am sure they are taking notes,but i havent had any problems with it as a burner but i am sure this issue will be sorted...

jackrabbit1 wrote: That and some curry powder.

Sorry for the hijack but this is just a classic :laugh: Man I wish I was there to see that :laugh: I put lots of stuff in my nose but never curry powder . Jackrabbit you fucking crazy bro

Hmmm... I don't ever use fat burners and when I take 2 straight up and 6 in a day and not feel a thing other than a jolt of cafeen then I'm pretty sure the eph contence is underdosed or doesn't exist. I'm not saying it doesn't work, just not what every makes out it to be...

Yes, I agree and I also only use fatburners once a year, but when I do take anything with eph in it I get serious side-effects. But with the new HEAT I notice nothing.

HEAT is sold as an ECA-stack as far as I'm aware, but if there is no eph hcl in it then it's not what we paid for. There are no ingredients printed on the label and I know is probably done for security and to keep guys from copying it, but it also prevent the user from knowing what he/she is buying.

i have spoken to the guys regarding this, they are gonna get back to me about it and i am hoping that this issue is sorted out,they are quite shocked that guys arent feeling the effects and they might have been sold dooped raws from their supplier like psuedo - eph or something of the same,i will be getting a couple to try next week to see if this issue has been sorted...

Thats keeping it real-thanks Admin for calling a spade a spade and showing this site favours results and not brands.
Hope they sort it out DJ

There is nothing wrong with the heat it creates. Heart rate is up and i'm definately burning.

The old ones did that AND was a nice party pill! :laugh:

Yesterday I took 3 new Heat caps, opened them into half a glass of caffeine-free cooldrink. 2 of the caps had the same brownish powder, but one cap's powder's colour was much lighter, and THAT cap was also packed fuller (thus inconsistency in mixing and packing). Anyway, I only felt a little caffeine buzz after a while and I got hotter, but there was no crash. Another thing, the old Heat claimed 550mg per capsule, and they were packed FULL, the new ones you can flatten with 2 fingers, thats definitely NOT 550mg (of whatever's in there), AND the Wasp that I received along with the new Heat, the capsules are also not as full as they were +- a year ago...

HEAT works the same for me as the old one did.

No ECA stack in any market works like they use to. I think that the worldwide eph grade is not what it use to be. I travel home to the UK often so i can speak for pretty much the European market.

The fat burning effects are still as good if not greater. I do 1 cap 4 times a day to prevent an adrenaline dump from making me crash.

I still buzz like a stark-raving mad lunatic on the new one! Even on the new bee sting! i alternate between the two every 2 weeks.

My wife uses bee sting and sculpt gel to great effects.

Maybe you guys need to freshen your receptors, just a suggestion to combat the radical receptor downgrade which is harsh with eph

ok i will be getting samples this week,they think either their Eph raws are old or they have been cut by the supplier.i will let u guys know when i get them and take them....

the new beesting is potent hey doherty!!

DJ wrote: ok i will be getting samples this week,they think either their Eph raws are old or they have been cut by the supplier.i will let u guys know when i get them and take them....

the new beesting is potent hey doherty!!

I think Eph will get harder and harder to get... wonder what the manufacturers will do about that, because I'm sure they use a shit load of raws for famous products like heat.

yea i think it is becoming harder and harder to come by,and the stuff u get is probably being cut by the guys who are getting it...maybe they will change their suppliers,i dont know...

I dont care much for the party effects. As long as it makes me feel good, and incinerates my fat, i will use heat until there is no more.

hat new bee sting is something else aswell!

My receptors are about as fresh as they come. Or at least they were when i started this course.

Girl i work with just dumped 1/2 bottle on me - makes her feel nauseous/crap and she doesnt want to take them anymore.

They are harder on my stomach and definately doesnt make me feel "good".