Best Fat burner for females?

Howsit Peeps.

What would you recommend as the best fat burner for females to use?

Stimulant based or non stimulant?

Thanks

Don't let anybody come and tell you that Heat works for women because it doesn't.

Your best bet is Duramine + Beesting, this is an extremely effective combo for females.

Are those natural supps or steroidal?

I'm looking for something over the counter, but has a proven effectiveness.

Hey Vega - and how would you rate Reverzene?

I personally don't use any over the counter supps for fat burning because they rip the shit out of you and its basically just a lot of caffiene.

I think Reverzine on its own is slightly overrated but as part of a "combo" it is fairly effective.

vega5, are u basing your conclusions of heat not working for women on your own wife's results? if she is getting better results out of beesting over heat then she has an estrogen related fat issue,i recommend heat to alot of women,even my fiance,and all of them get results out of it, they yohimbine is giving your wife the added boost,if you are to use oral yohimbin or even topical yohimbine in the fotm of reverzine or sculpt in conjunction with heat your wife would not have any issues with heat...

Yohimbine binds to sites in your body called Alpha-2 (A2) receptors. Yohimbine is an Alpha-2 antagonist, which means that it blocks these A2 receptors sites.If you block the A2 receptor it prevents the receptor from telling your body to stop producing Nor epinephrine (NE) at that site. The increase in NE at the site causes considerably more fatty acids to be released. This release of fatty acids, to be used for energy, is often referred to as "FAT BURNING". the highest concentrations of a2 receptors are in STUBBORN FATTY DEPOSITS. It is the high number of A2 receptors in these areas that makes them stubborn.. Estrogen agonizes these A2 sites, which shuts down even further the use of fatty acids. What this means is that it stops fat burning at the site. Even worse, repeated exposure to Estrogen INCREASES the number of A2 sites. If you are a women you will tend to have a lot of these A2 sites because of the fact that women have considerably higher levels of Estrogen. Areas where these A2 sites are typically richest.. they tend to be highest in thighs, gluteus , hips and often the triceps ( the back of the arm). The high number of A2 receptors in these areas is why it is often so difficult to lose fat there.

DJ wrote: vega5, are u basing your conclusions of heat not working for women on your own wife's results? if she is getting better results out of beesting over heat then she has an estrogen related fat issue,i recommend heat to alot of women,even my fiance,and all of them get results out of it, they yohimbine is giving your wife the added boost,if you are to use oral yohimbin or even topical yohimbine in the fotm of reverzine or sculpt in conjunction with heat your wife would not have any issues with heat...

Yeah I'm basing it on personal experience but also on the observations of one of our forum members experiences who prepares athletes for comps. I love Heat, don't get me wrong but I feel for woman my recommended stack is superior to Heat only.

well by using duromine that alone will work for anyone,it kills the appetite so badly it actually makes u wanna vomit when you eat,that is essential for people who have a problem with over eating,simple case to many caloires in vs calories used. so by adding in duromine will defiantly work...so by doing that alone will be a potent fat burner as well as the fact that it is a potent CNS will also make u burn fat. so adding in 2 cups of coffee to that will be a superior stack but like i said,most women have an issue with estrogen related fat,so by using yohimbine it will help with that, so u could use sculpt and heat + duromine and it will be a much more potent stack than beesting and duromine...

From what I hear Duramine isn't the most comfortable drug on earth to use but it really works. The trick with it is to eat a lot of very very small meals during the day. My wife has droped 1kg a week since starting this stack, I'll let her introduce Reverzine tomorrow morning with cardio. And I'll give some feedback next week. Shot

THe GF used duramine and it made her very depressed-took quite a few months after she came off to come right.
Any women with a depressive nature must keep away from Duramide

Whats a good fatburner for a women between the ages of 40 - 45 ? What would u guys suggest is a good stack to burn a bit of fat.

I feel anything with Eph might be dangerous as you start to get older due to the effects it has on your heart, erratic pulse, etc.

00pump wrote: I feel anything with Eph might be dangerous as you start to get older due to the effects it has on your heart, erratic pulse, etc.

I was thinking of something along the lines of a thermogenic maybe, like Muscle science ripped hard core.

Its difficult though, cos i don't think her diet is up to scratch and she does not eat to often. So i am trying to change that mind set. This is one of the reasons i do not want to recommend something along the lines of Heat or beesting, etc.

So any advice will be appreciated.

Then you know better than most, she needs to correct her diet first. Yes you can use one of those over the counter supplements that can aid in appetite suppression to make her life a little easier. However I find you need to learn how to do this on your own or else when ever you stop your supplements you will just gain that weight again. Yes, your stomach might have shrunk, etc. However that will all change after a few days of eating bad.

Just have her get a custom diet.. If you she is one of those people that likes specific foods, etc. Give the list of food to DJ and lets see how he can incorporate her foods she likes into a diet that would benefit her. That way she is losing weight and eating 'some' of the things she enjoys.

Scheet

I dont/cant use supps with Eph so recently bought a bottle of Lipo6. Its not comparable to fatburnes with Eph, but its not bad at all if she wants to go the non-Eph route.
Nice even energy through the day, just enough blunting of the appetite to not lus for lekka goed, but not so much as I need to force feed my meals down.
Add CLA, green tea etc. and I think you got a semi-decent non-eph burner...

PS) it does contain synephrine but its pretty mild

Hi there, I am 20, about 90kg, 1.70m , and yes I am overweight, can I use Sculpt with Heat and Duromine?

00pump wrote: Then you know better than most, she needs to correct her diet first. Yes you can use one of those over the counter supplements that can aid in appetite suppression to make her life a little easier. However I find you need to learn how to do this on your own or else when ever you stop your supplements you will just gain that weight again. Yes, your stomach might have shrunk, etc. However that will all change after a few days of eating bad.

Just have her get a custom diet.. If you she is one of those people that likes specific foods, etc. Give the list of food to DJ and lets see how he can incorporate her foods she likes into a diet that would benefit her. That way she is losing weight and eating 'some' of the things she enjoys.

Scheet

Its one of those " I need to lose 7 kilos quickly" type of situations. People think they will lose that weight by starving themselves, so they stop eating regularly and drink shit like Vitamin water throughout the day. They don't want to hear about how they need to change the diet and eat properly and regularly. Thanks for the advice though.

BB_guy wrote: I dont/cant use supps with Eph so recently bought a bottle of Lipo6. Its not comparable to fatburnes with Eph, but its not bad at all if she wants to go the non-Eph route.
Nice even energy through the day, just enough blunting of the appetite to not lus for lekka goed, but not so much as I need to force feed my meals down.
Add CLA, green tea etc. and I think you got a semi-decent non-eph burner...

PS) it does contain synephrine but its pretty mild

Thanks. Is that Nutrex Lipo6? I see they have a female one as well. Initially i told her to start off with a Double espresso, black and do some early morning cardio. Just to assess her tolerance to caffeine. Apparently she is sensitive to caffeine. I'm weary to recommend stuff to people when i know they are looking for quick fixes and not log term solutions.

Nartjies wrote: Hi there, I am 20, about 90kg, 1.70m , and yes I am overweight, can I use Sculpt with Heat and Duromine?

to be honest to use all 3 at the same time is not a clever idea,i personally feel that u shouldnt use any really strong stimulants with duromine, if i was you i would do this.

2weeks sculpt + clen
2weeks sculpt + Heat
4weeks sculpt + Sibutramine/Duromine
2weeks sculpt + clen
2weeks sculpt + Heat

that combined with a good cardio program and eating program should get u to where u wanna be...

*smile* I know it's the common way we live as South African's. We leave everything for the last minute, gun license / car license, biki / beach bodies. However when we want it done we upset that there is a massive queue because they have not extended the arms license for the third time. We also now want our beach body next month however we have ate badly for the last 10/20/30 years of our life and expect a miracle cure.

I find I do not get involved or assist anyone that will not take the first and most important step and that is a change in ones regular behavior. We are all creatures of habit and this becomes more and more difficult to change as we get older as we get stuck further in our ways.

You need to let her understand that if she doesn't change the basis of the way she thinks and take a whole new turn in her life all that will happen is she will become frustrated and upset with the whole thing and give up. I would love to actually know the statistics of how many 'diets' one tries in their life with no success and this is because we chose to take what we hear that will only benefit us.

I would recommend no supplements until phase 1 is complete and regular exercise is done on a daily basis, whether it be walking the dog or light moderate cardio on a tredmil and so forth. Once that has started get a decent diet that needs to be followed, 3 months after that start looking at a 'helper' like a diet supplement, some or other over the counter fat burner and take it from there.

Also at the age of 40 and the start of menopause, etc I would look at having a full physical done including a thyroid test and take it from there.

Ya its by Nutrex. Haven't seen the female version, sounds interesting

Filter coffee and morning cardio is perfect to start with

I think as a bodybuilder/gym rat we need to keep in mind that not everybody wants to make weights and cardio their way of life, so in their eyes a "quick fix" is all they want to know/hear. A quick fix is not such a bad thing IF she follows it up with a maintenance type diet plan

My 2c

Hi Dj

I only do cardio at the moment for an hour 3 days of the week. I want to lose about 30-20kg if possible. I dont have a diet but I have d/loaded your thread on ho to create your own diet.

BB_guy I have yet to meet somebody who has done a 'quick fix' and looks good. Not 2 or 5 years down the line, they always look the same, always complain about the same thing, always upset they look the way they do. There is no such thing as a quick fix, this is with anything in life. A quick fix in business you ripping someone off to make a success, to gain muscle in not possible without causing severe damage to your body, to lose weight which is not healthy. People who live with this mentality can go on living in their life of pity. Why try look good on the outside if on the inside you are sick. If by mid life you are looking out of shape this is a serious time to start looking at your life and realize if you don't do something soon you going to life a 'sickly' life.

Losing weight will not change this. Losing weight the wrong way will only add to the fact that you are damaging your body more and more. Nobody said become a gym rat, but if you do not make a change and continue to do the things you do now yet add a supplement how do you expect to have a different outcome? It is not possible... As they say our body is our template so treat it that way. Don't take supplement X so you can eat ABC.

I agree with what you are saying Pump, 100% I also do not think a quick fix gets a person any where, Its usually the case of 3 steps forward and 5 steps back, leaving you worse than before

It made sense in my head at the time, but I admit I failed to put all my thoughts into words...
The key word in my post was "MAINTENANCE"

the point I was trying to make was, not everybody wants to diet and train long term. Yes they're missing the point of being healthy and just want to look good. This lady wants to lose a few KG's, thats all really, not become a regular at the gym (<-crazy I know [sarcasm] )

I never meant "quick fix" in the true sense of the word ie. starvation diet, fatburner supps etc.
I meant by "quick fix" to train and diet hard, get the fat off as fast as safely possible. (<- this is what I failed to put in my post)

By "maintenance diet" I meant eat healthy but nothing as strict as we usually do. Thats when 99% of people seem to fail, when the maintenance part is to strict. Most people are too lazy (or whatever reason)to follow, what we see as basic regime, but to them its too strict a eating and training plan. As soon as you tell majority of people "dont eat this and that" they seem to almost always go off the path...