Milk Thistle on Cycle

I started my cycle on Monday (Test Cyp and Dbol) and ive been using 1 tab of Solgar Milk Thistle each night. I have been reading a few threads now that states Milk Thistle will limit gains. So my question is what would you guys recommend me to do, continue my milk thistle/use essentiale/use nothing for liver detox

Thanks

Use Essentiale and/or Liv.52.

Eidolon wrote: Use Essentiale and/or Liv.52.

Thanks. How much does milk thistle limit gains by roughly? Can I use my Milk Thistle during PCT?

I really have no idea how much it limits gains. You can use it during PCT, but Liv.52 is a better option, and good value for money. Add SAMe for extra peace of mind.

The effect is negligible in my opinion...
Yes the active compound when purified and used to treat at a certain dosage has a significant effect. That's why it went to clinical trials. But think of it this way:
Finasteride and Silibilin >>>>>>> Saw Palmetto extracts and Milk Thistle

In my opinion use whatever liver support you want. But if you looking for every 0.002% edge, switch to something else.

Yip there are many opinions on this. If you are really worried about gains maybe use milkthistle for 1 month prior to cycle (not possible in your case) and essentiale and legalon during cycling and pct and then go over to SAMe and milkthiste for 1 months after pct

Dischem and Checkers pharma didn't have Liv.52. Dischem had a product called "Liversential" exact same ingredients and amount as Essentiale only difference being the Essentiale having 12ug of b12 and Liversential having 3ug

You can order Liv.52 from here: naturescript.co.za/index.php/liv-52-tablets-1.html

Eidolon wrote: You can order Liv.52 from here: naturescript.co.za/index.php/liv-52-tablets-1.html

Thanks. No comment on the liversential?, I mean its cheaper than Essentiale and the only difference is the b12 content. Moving overseas soon so my funds are being transferred to my account there so obviously I cant send them an EFT

I haven't used liversential yet, and normally grab the 100s Essentiale, which is pretty affordable. If the ingredients are similar go for it.

AAS wrote:

Eidolon wrote: You can order Liv.52 from here: naturescript.co.za/index.php/liv-52-tablets-1.html

Thanks. No comment on the liversential?, I mean its cheaper than Essentiale and the only difference is the b12 content. Moving overseas soon so my funds are being transferred to my account there so obviously I cant send them an EFT

I bought a truckload of liversential for my cycle starting soon. The major thing we need in there is the phospholopids. You get the B vitamins in the "good" multi you should be using on cycle

Does SAMe have any effect on gains cause I am taking it on cycle !!

The way i understand it is that SAMe is very good for liver regeneration rather than assisting liverfunction or cleansing/protection like milkthistle. Therefor SAMe is excellent to start using when AAS is out of the system or at low levels. The phospholopids in essentiale helps the liver cope and milkthistle is geared towards cleansing the liver and therefor the theory is that it might hinder gains on cycle.

SAMe is not bad to take on cycle but is great during and after PCT for its regeneration properties. No harm in carrying on with it on cycle just get some liversential or essentiale as well

ABC01 wrote: The way i understand it is that SAMe is very good for liver regeneration rather than assisting liverfunction or cleansing/protection like milkthistle. Therefor SAMe is excellent to start using when AAS is out of the system or at low levels. The phospholopids in essentiale helps the liver cope and milkthistle is geared towards cleansing the liver and therefor the theory is that it might hinder gains on cycle.

SAMe is not bad to take on cycle but is great during and after PCT for its regeneration properties. No harm in carrying on with it on cycle just get some liversential or essentiale as well

Ja I am taking essential aswell, with all this talk of how damaging they are have any of you guys done any real damage to your livers from orals ? Or know anyone who has done ?

There is a young poephol in the town i stay who jumped on the dbol bus just after school (probably in school as well). Not a bad rugby player. Got a contract with one of the bigger unions and he was barely there when his liver packed up. Was in hospital for a long time and will always have liver prblems from now on. Im sure it was well worth the effort!