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09 Feb 2008 12:53 #971 by vision
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Greetings,

Please help,, i was off to a great start then something has gone wrong...

I been training since January. (January Stats 75Kilograms 180cm tall)

Been doing heavy cardio and pumping muscle for almost a month then also used ECA stack and went up-to 79.5Kilograms. I was experimenting with NoMad ECA stack and Heat when I got terribly strong and lean... I was pushing more and more weight almost everytime I went into the gym.. I could see a difference. I was eating right.. 4 to 6 meals a day. Creatine, USN Muscle Fuel, L-Gluetimine like it was going out of fashion. Great so I got nice big improvements quickly even got a personal ex personal trainer that was shocked about the speed i was improving... For the first time i was positive things were going right.. and for sure this time I will get to my goal. Even planned on starting to use anabolics to give me a boost or just an edge.. small 9 week cycle for the year. Nothing serious, just enough to get me off to great start for my long term plan.

So since I havent done gym in awhile I strain myself since I put on more and more weight everytime.. I mean with the muscle gains I was getting I was eager to push harder and harder.. I got REALLY lean by using NoMAD ECA and Heat.. 3 times a day. I was experiminting with the stuff and saw what worked best. JEEZ man if only i had a before photo.. really amazing what I have done... Back to the point I hurt my neck from straining... So I stopped training for a week before it got worse... Still feels a bit dodgy but i can try again.. I was still taking all my food and supplements... eating like a pig in comparison to my normal diet. I lost 4kilograms of weight.. without training... So I was like F... yeah i look even learner.. which I did.. muscle size was still there... I went into the gym for the first time after a week and I could not pick up half the weight I used too... My arms were litterlly crawling.. From like shoulder press of 20kilograms each arm to 8kilos if i am lucky ill even finish my set. WTFFFFF? What is going on? My body had more than enough rest... What am I not understanding here? Look I dont think the ECA stacks could of chowed so much muscle? Plus even with that little baby weight I get a major pump on bicep still.. and they still look same size if not bigger...

Please any advice and criticism is welcome.. I just need help.

Many thanks in advance.

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09 Feb 2008 13:28 #972 by vision
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Another observation, my muscles normally recover within a day.. its now been like over 12 hours and they still ache of the lame exercise i did due to lack of strength yesterday! I am taking in even more calories etc.. today to make sure they ready for todays training at 4...

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10 Feb 2008 11:54 #976 by Doctari
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Phew, Bro - you probably got wacked by high cortisol levels! Stopped training - so, no more daily anabolic stimulation AND you continued TWO thermogenic compounds at the same time. You gained a lot of weight in a short period of space - now the body is counter-acting that by producing more cortisol. Cortisol wastes muscle. Same time you use Ephadrine and Caffein - this stimulates the T4 to T3 conversion, increasing your BMR. No training, no extra HGH secretion, no IGF-1 production, no natural anabolic support....but still high BMR fueled by 2 thermogenic stacks - something has to be burnt up somewhere to keep that "artifically increased" BMR up!

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10 Feb 2008 11:57 #977 by Doctari
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Just kinda noticed something - you're tall and only 75kgs. Obviuosly you are very ectomorphic in build. These guys don't retain weight so good, due to natural high BMR's and above average T4 conversion to T3. You should steer away from thermogenics!

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10 Feb 2008 12:31 #979 by vision
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I concur! :-) Makes sense dude.. Thanks plenty! I am loosing weight like uhm insane shockingly crazy of all the sudden. My strength has magically returned from no where after 3 days of training again... not all the stamina but hey at least i can pick up more weight again. And I am still using both the ECA stacks ;-) I hurt like bad, but hey i am getting used to it... No pain no gain...

Heh... from 75 to 79.5 back down to 74.5k now. in less than 25 days... Something is working ;-) I am looking much better way quick. People are even looking funny at me in the gym lol. PT thought i was using something already. Going to push myself to the edge on this. then push some dianbol + anabol with PCT of kessar and clomod or something for 9 weeks... like low levels beginner cycle...

Its hard work, but with the muscle gains and fat burning effect i am getting on a day to day basis its addictive ;-)

Hopefully by the end of that I will be on the right track again.

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