1st Cycle

Hi guys

I am new to this forum. A friend of mine suggested that I should join to gain insight and receive advice by reading and joining in the discussions etc. I have been training for about 7 years of which the last 2-3 years have been serious - in other words more concentrating on physique and strength, rather than sport conditioning (rugby etc). For the last 4 years of training I have had an interest in roids, cycles, pct, nutrition etc, so I'm confident that I have read and have understood enough to finally start with a cycle. But I want to broaden my knowledge, cause I'm sure that I don't know close to half than I need to.

Before I read the articles on this site, I was planning to do a Cyp-Dbol cycle, but now that I have read all the articles etc, I have decided to stick with my cycle since the beginner bulk cycle on this site, is similar to it, except my cycle includes Letrozole.

My stats:

Age - 28
Heigt - 1.78m
Weight - 89kg
BF - +/- 16% (done in Feb '12)

*My aim is to get up to 95kg by bulking on the Cyp-Dbol beginner cycle (500mg Cyp + 40mg Dbol/d) combined with a 3000-3500 calorie intake diet. Is this possible??.. my first question.

**Then, is it necessary for me to include Letrozole during my cycle and if so how much and how often(the cycle I have doesn't specify)?

***How long after my PCT can I start with a cutting cycle (consisting of 50mg TestProp/day as well as 50mg Winstrol/day)? And do need to do a PCT after this as well?

Any response will be appreciated

Welcome to the forum.

Letrozol is to stop gynecomastia so you should keep it on hand incase you show signs of gyno.

Secondly you cant start a second scycle so soon afterwards you need to give your body a break, and yes that will also have to be finished with a PCT.

If you bent on using the prop and winni why not add it to your cyp cycle as a bridge to your PCT.

if you will hit 95kgs depends on your diet and training.

Hi Crimson

First off, thanks for doing your research bud, it really makes a big difference for the people you want to crit your proposal!

Before I make any suggestions, I think you need to get your bf% checked out. It may have risen or even fallen since Feb, and may have even remained the same. 16% is a bit too high IMO and with some solid dieting for a few weeks you can lower that to 10-12% which will be ideal, especially seeing that you want to bulk up.

To answer your questions:

1) Your required caloric intake depends on your various stats (including bf% which is another reason why it's important to know that figure), and I suggest you go to the Dieting section and read "Dieting 101" and "Dieting 102". That will help you a lot with understanding the basic requirements of a good diet needed for your specific goals.

2) Letrozole has different effects on some of the guys on this forum. Some have got nasty side effects such as migraines and it takes up to 2 weeks for it to reach full effect, although it supposedly begins working upon initial ingestion. I have never used Letro and from what I've read on this forum about it, I never will.

Rather get Arimidex, and instead of taking it from day 1, rather keep it on hand and only start taking it if you start noticing side effects such as those from getting gyno (itchy/sensitive or puffy nipples). Arimidex also gets to work immediately and shuts down Estrogen related side effects on the spot. For that reason, people don't suggest taking it unnecessarily as a preventative measure before gyno even appears, as some levels of estrogen are needed for building muscle. Elevated testosterone levels elevate estrogen levels which is what causes gyno.

Arimidex is quite a bit more expensive, but its should last you more than 1 cycle. If you experience gyno symptoms let us know on the forum and then from there we can direct you with dosages.

3) After your last injection, it will take 36days until PCT which most often use to include a mini cutting stage throughout this 36 day 'bridge' period. Rather use 40mg of Winstrol with 40mg of Proviron each day on the bridge, which will help you lean out quite considerably. Not to forget, you will need to change your diet from there in order to achieve your goals. Nothing is possible without a good diet. Then you can PCT with hCH, Clomid and Nolvadex as per PCT no.2 on the site.

All the best bud and let us know how things go.

Yo bro

Thanks for the reply as well as the advice. Just to clarify - By "bridge", do you mean taking the Prop and Winnie during the period (36 days) after my last Cyp injection, before the PCT? Or is the time period gonna be lengthened before PCT, because I've done the Prop (should I i.e after I hit the 36th day stop injecting the Prop and taking the winnie, then start with the normal PCT within few days?)

Hope you get what I'm asking

@ MK

hey bro

Thanks for the info and advice bud, much appreciated. I'll get my BF% checked out ASAP, just to make sure (I've been trying to eat as clean as possible the last couple of months, but never-the-less). I will also go and check out the Dieting section you suggested. If you don't mind me asking, what are cons about having a rather high BF% as in my case and taking the Cyp? Are we looking at cardiovascular complications or what?

Regarding the Arimidex: I also read that Arimidex is the better choice in comparison to Letrozole - the only thing I also noticed was the price difference, but I'll take your advice and rather pay the few extra bucks. Thanks!

Also thanks for the answer to my 3rd question regarding the cutting, I will definitely take it into consideration.

Then I only have one more question (probably the main reason I haven't started using roids earlier)... * If I follow protocol accordingly(dosages, pct, etc), what are the chances that it will negatively affect my reproductive system?? I have read some articles where they say that this could be a major issue, and my future wife will not be too impressed if I start "shooting wind" because of the roids. LOL!

hi crimson, welcome to the forum bud! jus my 2c, your understanding of a bridge is spot on by the way, its the time fro the last pin until the start of pct (this length is dependent on what compounds where used in a cycle etc. as im sure you understand)now regarding the bridge, winny and proviron is always good in this phase as it hardens up gains nicely and is in essence a small cutting cycle, if one could call it that, you could use prop too, but remember it has its own half life, and waiting period before a pct too, being 14 days. so its best to work it out in accordance to your longest acting ester so you can stop the prop at the right time, allowing the long and short ester to end at the same time, thus beginning your pct.. if that makes sense to you. for example, cyp has a waiting period of 36 days, and prop 14.. so you can still use the prop for 22 days after the end of cyp, (1ml -100mg- every other day= 20 days) will be perfect.. that way both esters will clear at the same time.

basically the reason MK suggested you drop your bf, is the gyno sides, when bf is higher, you are at a much greater risk in developing gyno related sides, then that adex will def need to be used, with regards to that, letro has some very nasty sides, and in my opinion is not worth the cheaper route, opt for the adex, at a few extra hundred bucks, the effects are far superior and you can get a good 2-3 cycles out of it..

lastly the shooting blanks part haha fortunately the cycle you have opted for isnt too harsh on the reproductive system, but what ever shut down HAs occured (which it will to a degree) will be sorted out during the pct, which is one of the main functions to get natural test back to stable and normal levels.. there are pcts designed for guys with problems and low sperm count etc as in DOCtaris pct no. 3 .. but thats run after heavy surpressive cycles.. you can get away with either pct 1 or 2

good luck bud! look forward to seeing your choice and outcome

Poisoned just answered your question and his explanations were spot on, thanks for helping out there bud!

If there's anything you're unsure of, just ask, and we'll help you out no problem.

Hey guys

Sorry... reached my internet cap. Thanks for the replies as well as all the advice etc. It has been very helpful and certainly makes me more eager to start to grow haha - I am taking my first pin on Monday. I'll definitely keep you posted on my progress etc, and will drop another post if I have any further questions regarding- or during my cycle.

Thanks a mill!

Hi Crimson;What you propose in regards to your first cycle sounds (REsponsible) and sufficient.You have done your Apprenticeship with 7-years of Foundation,that's great.Oral steroids are effective,as they kick-in immediately,but are harsh on the Liver!!THe injectable is really effective,and really safe,but with injectable it take a little more time to start to Build-up in your Serum-blood levels.THere is no difference between test-e,and Cyp.The only difference is one is at the 9-atom and the cyp @the 8-atom. and human grade is usually 200mg per ml for Enanthate,and 100mg perml for Cyp. This is from DR. RX human grade drugstore bought. the ugl's may be different. thanks john