pre-workout addict!!!

Ok, been training for quite a long time with pre-workouts such as jack3d and other NO2 stuff. Stopped everythin with fasting came up. Back in training now for 2 weeks with no pre-workout, just have some whey, creatine and L-carintine before working out.

Now its just not the same, No focus, no pump...I get thru my workout but it just does not feel that gr8...Been reading that pre-workouts like jackd3d are not that grand after all....so...whats the suggestion for a relatively inexpensive good pre-workout for a good pump and some focus with out the negativity of jack3d band of pre-workouts?

Hey bud, how about just using the Beta-Alanine that Ondier sells.

I'm enjoying the new Purus Labs one, ConDense.

It promotes vascularity, which I'm starting to see, plus it hasn't got that DMMA stuff in it. That shit just made me :sick:

The one online shop up here in Joburg has it for 385 for 40 servings.

Try it out..

Wayne wrote: Ok, been training for quite a long time with pre-workouts such as jack3d and other NO2 stuff. Stopped everythin with fasting came up. Back in training now for 2 weeks with no pre-workout, just have some whey, creatine and L-carintine before working out.

Now its just not the same, No focus, no pump...I get thru my workout but it just does not feel that gr8...Been reading that pre-workouts like jackd3d are not that grand after all....so...whats the suggestion for a relatively inexpensive good pre-workout for a good pump and some focus with out the negativity of jack3d band of pre-workouts?

I am a big fan of noxipro, retails around 340 at pick n pay. However, in terms of best bang for buck, I was thoroughly impressed with evox 3dt muscle punch and at 149 bucks it was really worth every penny.

for me noxipro is almost identical to jack 3D

MRfeathers wrote: for me noxipro is almost identical to jack 3D

yeah its got 20% more 1,3-Dimethylamylamine HCL per gram as compared to Jack3d I believe.

Rookie wrote: I'm enjoying the new Purus Labs one, ConDense.

It promotes vascularity, which I'm starting to see, plus it hasn't got that DMMA stuff in it. That shit just made me :sick:

The one online shop up here in Joburg has it for 385 for 40 servings.

Try it out..

im also keen on this one. read a good independant review on it.

My favorite Pre workout was defiantly MP assault, but its expensive.

[/quote] im also keen on this one. read a good independant review on it.[/quote]

I got the Melon Berry flavor, it's okay. I've had much worse tasting PW's before.
Just a work of advice, mix it with a little bit of water, then up the water to your taste.
The recomended 236ml of water makes the Melon Berry taste weak...

I'm not vascular at all, and I'm seeing a few veins pop here and there.
I can also feel the endurance enhancement it claims.

Dont be fooled by the small container, the serving scoop is very small.

Hi Wayne

How old are you?

Maybe take a break from pre-workouts for a while, and try getting your mind used to focussing naturally. I was just the same about a year ago, I felt like I couldn't have a good session without a pre-workout until I developed an opinion that pre-workouts can't be good at all for your heart (just my opinion, not saying it's right). Now, I can't bare the thought of going back to pre-workouts! I tried one several weeks back at just a single scoop and I crashed the hardest I've ever crashed.

I feel like I get a better reward out of getting my mind to focus, and pumping myself up with music rather than taking pre-workouts, and I doubt I'll ever go back. Plus, think about the hundreds of Rands I save each month that I can spend on other things. Maybe give it a try for a while and you might turn out to be the same

Getting to your question, when I did take pre-workouts I really enjoyed one called 'Chemical X', don't know if they still make the stuff, but I felt like it worked just as well as Jack3d plus it was much cheaper.

thanks for the replies! If you been following the latest talk, dmaa is exactly what i am tryin to avoid! dj said it actualy decreases muscle! So dont want anythin wit dmaa! Interested to hear jackrabbit's opinion, i know he loved the pre-workouts like jackd but is off them now for health reasons, how is he coping?

I used pre workouts for 3 years, tryed everything.

I find the best is eating 200g oats, 30g dextrose and 60g whey(put all in a blender) about 50mins before workout, then about 20mins before my workout i have some CEE, beta alanine, taurine, l carnitine and 5 grams of bcaa, i get great energy and pumps from this stack. I will never try a conventional pre workout again..

manery wrote: I used pre workouts for 3 years, tryed everything.

I find the best is eating 200g oats, 30g dextrose and 60g whey(put all in a blender) about 50mins before workout, then about 20mins before my workout i have some CEE, beta alanine, taurine, l carnitine and 5 grams of bcaa, i get great energy and pumps from this stack. I will never try a conventional pre workout again..

How do you manage all that food pre workout? I do my weight training in a fasted state in mornings and find that my workout is much more intense than if i consume food before hand. Just a pre workout or double espresso and i am good to go

Wayne wrote: thanks for the replies! If you been following the latest talk, dmaa is exactly what i am tryin to avoid! dj said it actualy decreases muscle! So dont want anythin wit dmaa! Interested to hear jackrabbit's opinion, i know he loved the pre-workouts like jackd but is off them now for health reasons, how is he coping?

Check this thread Wayne:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-suppl...117612-jack3d#117868

You have no idea how glad i am that i got off them. That kick you think you are getting from Jack3d is actually one in the groin.

hey man try using new condense from purus labs and con-cret creatine...massive pumps and good focus...the combo is awesome...

Nuerocore from muscletech blueberry is awesome you get super strengh and no crash also u can eat afterwards and stil sleep even taken at 7at night.and its nice to drink lol

i must agree with MK, i was exactly the same, got paranoid to train without a pre-workout, then just man'd up, started with 100g oats 40g whey and 30g raisins, never looked back, have energy, get good pumps, ill never use a pre again.

PoisonedPulse wrote: i must agree with MK, i was exactly the same, got paranoid to train without a pre-workout, then just man'd up, started with 100g oats 40g whey and 30g raisins, never looked back, have energy, get good pumps, ill never use a pre again.

I third that!

ABC01 wrote:

manery wrote: I used pre workouts for 3 years, tryed everything.

I find the best is eating 200g oats, 30g dextrose and 60g whey(put all in a blender) about 50mins before workout, then about 20mins before my workout i have some CEE, beta alanine, taurine, l carnitine and 5 grams of bcaa, i get great energy and pumps from this stack. I will never try a conventional pre workout again..

How do you manage all that food pre workout? I do my weight training in a fasted state in mornings and find that my workout is much more intense than if i consume food before hand. Just a pre workout or double espresso and i am good to go

I put 200g oats in the blender without liquid and put it on for like 2mins(oats become powdery), then chuck my protien, dextrose and water. I used to get bloated from just eating 100g oats and my protein shake before my workout but since Ive been using the blender i get NO BLOAT i could easily put 300g oats in if i wanted to and still be fine, and it tastes great.

Oats with raisins and honey pre workout - I add a little fat free milk, this I have 1 hour pre workout then 30mins pre workout i will go for beta-alanine and a voodoo-nutrition vasomax cap...and also like 5g monohydrate. Sip bcaa's while you train or an amino acid drink like nutritech's amino boost - GREAT PUMPS!

ABC01 wrote:

manery wrote: I used pre workouts for 3 years, tryed everything.

I find the best is eating 200g oats, 30g dextrose and 60g whey(put all in a blender) about 50mins before workout, then about 20mins before my workout i have some CEE, beta alanine, taurine, l carnitine and 5 grams of bcaa, i get great energy and pumps from this stack. I will never try a conventional pre workout again..

How do you manage all that food pre workout? I do my weight training in a fasted state in mornings and find that my workout is much more intense than if i consume food before hand. Just a pre workout or double espresso and i am good to go

I put 200g oats in the blender without liquid and put it on for like 2mins(oats become powdery), then chuck my protien, dextrose and water. I used to get bloated from just eating 100g oats and my protein shake before my workout but since Ive been using the blender i get NO BLOAT i could easily put 300g oats in if i wanted to and still be fine, and it tastes great.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Wayne wrote: thanks for the replies! If you been following the latest talk, dmaa is exactly what i am tryin to avoid! dj said it actualy decreases muscle! So dont want anythin wit dmaa! Interested to hear jackrabbit's opinion, i know he loved the pre-workouts like jackd but is off them now for health reasons, how is he coping?

Check this thread Wayne:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-suppl...117612-jack3d#117868

You have no idea how glad i am that i got off them. That kick you think you are getting from Jack3d is actually one in the groin.

thanks jack! How is that shockwave? Whats the ingredients?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Wayne wrote: thanks for the replies! If you been following the latest talk, dmaa is exactly what i am tryin to avoid! dj said it actualy decreases muscle! So dont want anythin wit dmaa! Interested to hear jackrabbit's opinion, i know he loved the pre-workouts like jackd but is off them now for health reasons, how is he coping?

Check this thread Wayne:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-suppl...117612-jack3d#117868

You have no idea how glad i am that i got off them. That kick you think you are getting from Jack3d is actually one in the groin.