Opinions on this?

Been watching his videos the last week or two, came across, sorry if it has been posted before.

I agree. Your body will eventually go down to whatever size your genes determine you should be with your normal testosterone level. There is no such thing as doing only one steroid cycle and then staying as big and strong as that by doing a bullet proof PCT and IFBB pro diet. Some guys are very lucky here and others have it pretty bad. But you can keep your gains a lot longer by using peptides.

If you go by the time off cycle = time on cycle + PCT and then keep cycling then yes, you will keep making steady gains over the years but no, you will not consistently pack on 8KG of pure muscle every year and eventually look like a pro unless you are genetically gifted. Diminishing returns...

At the end of the day if u dont have super genes u end up with a very expensive hobby .... :lol:
even if I stick to time off time on I loose to much between so time on = 4 months includind PCT I would have to go back on by 3 months ...but at least I seem to keep better shape ...

Thanks for the reply guys. It is definitely something I have been thinking about lately with regards to PCT and then going off for a while before starting up again. I am by no means wanting to just 'blast' 365/year and expect to be a pro. I just want to do this properly and manage my cycles over the years to come. I'm just trying to find different opinions and you guys already giving your own is great, more the merrier

To me it just seems like after your cycle and ending PCT, managed correctly, you will need to have a very good understanding of your body and watch it as it 'heals up' before starting another cycle. Blood tests, definitely something I will throw in about 4 weeks after PCT to check if my levels are good to go. If I need to give it another 2, 4 or 6 weeks so be it, I just want to make sure I am consistently improving every year.

I think perhaps tribulus during PCT would be a good idea?

Blood tests 4 weeks after PCT will give you a false indication that you have recovered. It is too soon. Clomid and Nolvadex will elevate your LH and testosterone for a month or more after you stop taking them because they both have very long half-lives of about 7 days. Only when the clomid/nolva is completely out of your system can you really see how your hormones are doing.

Muscleaddict wrote: Blood tests 4 weeks after PCT will give you a false indication that you have recovered. It is too soon. Clomid and Nolvadex will elevate your LH and testosterone for a month or more after you stop taking them because they both have very long half-lives of about 7 days. Only when the clomid/nolva is completely out of your system can you really see how your hormones are doing.

Thanks for that

Hi can someone advice what shld be taken whn cortisol levels are high.... to get it to normal... thnxs

What time did you test your cortisol levels? Did you eat something before the test?
NB is trying to identify what you think might be the cause.

Hi pyroclasm,,, i Was on test prop/tren A/Clen/T-3 test ws empty stomach

Cortisol has many important functions in the system, but is normally only elevated above normal due to stress to the system. Why do I say above normal? Your cortisol levels fluctuate throughout the day, increasing from when you wake up. It is very important to make sure you test your levels right after waking up. The difference in just one hour after waking is massive.

If indeed your cortisol levels are raised above normal it is most probably the stress to the system causes by those compounds. Cortisol is also influenced by the amount of sleep you got the previous night and how fatigued the body is. Tren especially with its insomnia side effect could be to blame for elevated cortisol levels. What do you think?

So if I am understanding this correctly, if you only do one cycle any gains will eventually be lost no matter how well you train and supplement with diet?
I fully understand that with one cycle you're not going to look like Mr Olympia, but in my case I want to put on 2-5kg hence the cycle I was looking at.

Pyro fine tuned a very nice looking cycle for me but if going to be all for nought them what is the point for the guys who want to do 1 maybe 2 cycles?

i dont think that its for nothing! There is a limit your body will grow to, that limit may not be achievable training naturally alone then your juice cycles help you get there, plus, it would get you there faster!

Mookee bro you can not compare blood test results done when you are on steroids to what they should be when you are not on anything.

The reason for your high cortisol levels in the morning is because of what you are on. Tren will lower cortisol levels, but this is as an average if you were to test every few hours and plot it on a graph and compare to a steroid free body. But your body is trying it's damnedest to maintain homeostasis so when you are in a fasted state it will pump out more cortisol. A nice thing about tren is that because it is so androgenic, the elevation in cortisol will result in much less muscle catabolism than expected for the cortisol levels so you don't need to worry about muscle loss.

Thnxs fr th feed back Muscleaddict...

i guess coz of the sleepless nights im getting... thnxs pyroclasm

CycloTrpTyr wrote: So if I am understanding this correctly, if you only do one cycle any gains will eventually be lost no matter how well you train and supplement with diet?
I fully understand that with one cycle you're not going to look like Mr Olympia, but in my case I want to put on 2-5kg hence the cycle I was looking at.

Pyro fine tuned a very nice looking cycle for me but if going to be all for nought them what is the point for the guys who want to do 1 maybe 2 cycles?

Correct u will have to cycle at least twice a year to maintain / grow...once u stop u will go back to your normal size unless u have super genes.

One night of sleep deprivation will actually lower Cortisol levels in the morning, and then increases it at night. One night of sleeplessness does increase total exposure to Cortisol slightly. However when sleepless nights become a pattern that´s when all Cortisol levels rise.

This is exactly why i think doing cycles for general fat loss is so stupid.

This is also why my short term goals have changed until im ready to do more cycles per year.