MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids

  • aspoester
  • Topic Author
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
More
30 Oct 2013 19:28 #155329 by aspoester
MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids was created by aspoester
Once the dirty secret of a few elite athletes, anabolic steroids are now freely available to any schoolboy who wants to bulk up quickly. But juicing comes at a price – and not even doctors are sure what that is…

“We used to call it a ‘TEB’ programme: train hard, eat right, break the rules,” says Johann, a former policeman who standS two-metres tall, with broad shoulders and a bulky frame. He cuts an imposing figure – not the kind of build you’d think needs bulking up.

But from the walls of his lounge, photographs of a younger, more confident Johann look back into the room, with even bigger shoulders and a bodybuilder’s bulging chest and biceps. “You know, they say that for every week you take steroids, you gain a three-month advantage over guys who don’t use them,” he says. “Now why would you waste time doing it the hard way?” He spreads his enormous hands in an “I don’t know” gesture.

Johann did steroids for 15 years straight – three months on, three months off – buying Anapolin, Deca-Durabolin and Depo-Testosterone from crooked pharmacists and charging it to his policeman’s medical aid. “It’s easy,” he explains. “You just go to the doctor and tell him you’re feeling depressed, get a prescription for Prozac or something, and then your pharmacist charges it to your medical aid as an anti-depressant and gives you steroids instead. It’s just a matter of finding the right pharmacist.

“I went from an XL T-shirt to a 7XL T-shirt in two years on steroids. Do you know what it feels like, walking around the beach in a Speedo, knowing that everybody is looking at you? You feel like a god.”
And that’s the appeal – and the curse – of anabolics. As early as the late 1980s, medical researchers noted that anabolic steroids users included athletes “who took the drugs initially to gain muscle for bodybuilding, but who went on to develop depression whenever they discontinued [steroid] use”.
Unlike the short-lived highs of street drugs like heroin and cocaine, steroids have a longer-term “high”, directly related to the user’s self-esteem. This might explain why some continue using them despite the unpleasant, embarrassing and potentially fatal side effects.

And even though it’s illegal to buy anabolic steroids without a prescription, they’re very easy to find. We were able to buy steroids from two separate South African-based dealers who openly punt their wares on Facebook. We made contact with them; they sent us price lists; we placed our orders and then deposited the payment into their bank accounts (including R70 for the courier via the Post Office’s Speed Services).

We bought 10ml of Trenbolone Acetate – a horse steroid that is illegal for veterinary use in South Africa – for R500, as well as 50 10mg tablets of Dianabol, from one vendor, and 10ml injectable Dianabol for R400 from another.

Law enforcement officers who deal with steroid users tell stories about huge, bulked-up bodybuilders who cry like babies when they’re locked up in jail – where it’s impossible to stick to their strict regimen of multiple anabolic steroids. Some are taken daily and some taken every three or four days as part of a cumulative muscle-building course known in steroid jargon as a “cycle”.

“You’re not supposed to take it for more than three months straight,” says Johann. “Three months on, three months off. But in practice, for me, it ended up being three months heavy use and three months light use, because I ended up getting very irritable and impatient when I wasn’t using it. So I’d inject lighter doses on the off months. It’s not like there’s anything that keeps you addicted to it, but once the first muscles start showing and you get bigger and bigger, you just want to use more.”

Eventually, though, something had to give. “I quit because I was terrified that I’d hit my wife,” Johann says, “because the steroids made me so aggressive. It’s so much more dangerous than alcohol, because you’re already so big and strong, and you have all that self confidence.”

“Roid rage” became such a destructive force in the family of one Pretoria user that he became permanently estranged from his mother. “He had two heart attacks caused by steroids between the ages of 23 and 26,” she recalls. “I found the stuff in the fridge. When I confronted my son about it, he moved out. He’s obsessive about his body. He can’t walk past a mirror without looking at himself. He struggles with relationships; he’s an attractive young man, but his aggressive nature from the steriods drives girls away.”

You don’t have to spend much time In online forums before you encounter frantic messages like these: “NEED DESPERATE HELP two weeks after PCT (post-cycle treatment) balls shrink” and “Guys, what should I do? My balls are starting to get smaller,” found on found on steroidology.com.
These discussions usually ruminate on whether users should take drugs that counter these unwanted effects while they’re still taking steroids, or whether they should wait until their steroid cycle is over.

“You’ve got to be so careful with this stuff,” says one Cape Town based supplements and steroid dealer. “One bodybuilder I know, in his 40s, married, no kids, took steroids for years. He shoots blanks, and it’s from the steroids. No doubt.”

No steroid users we spoke to admitted to any adverse effects in the genital department, but it’s a well documented fact that anabolic steroids suppress the body’s natural testosterone manufacture, leading to shrunken testicles, low sperm count or even an absence of sperm. Compounding this, anabolic steroids also cause the excess manufacture of estrogens in the male body, leading to the growth of “man-boobs” and other female physical characteristics. This is known as gynecomastia – or “gyno”, in steroid-speak.

Research from the University of Helsinki’s Laboratory of Substance Abuse shows that steroids interfere with the production of gonadotrophin, a hormone secreted by the pituitary gland that stimulates the gonads and controls reproductive activity. Most adverse effects disappear when users stop taking steroids, but researchers are unsure of the long-term effects on the reproductive system.
One of the main reasons that steroid users alternate periods of juicing up with periods of non-use is to allow their body to recover from that feminising knock to the system. Post-cycle, you need to take a whole new batch of drugs to inhibit the estrogen in your system. These usually include Tamoxifen (trade name Nolvadex), a drug used in the chemotherapy of breast cancer, and Clomiphene (trade name Clomid), a drug used in fertility treatment that stimulates the manufacture of gonadotrophin.
Given the havoc these substances play with your reproductive system, it’s no surprise that many black-market steroid dealers also run a side business trading in aromatase inhibitors, which slow the manufacture of estrogen in the body, and drugs to combat erectile dysfunction, such as Viagra and Cialis. Besides wild fluctuations in libido, steroids can cause insomnia and depression. And that just leads to more pill-popping.

It’s inevitable that a multitude of drugs in your system could lead to bad drug interactions and unexpected symptoms. But, it turns out, even the experts are baffled by the combined effects of so many chemicals.

We found a few sample steroid cycles and post-cycle treatments on a local website, anabolicsteroids.co.za, and sent them to the head of Pretoria University’s pharmacology department, Professor Oppel Greeff, to find out what the cumulative effects of so many different steroids and post-cycle treatment medications would be.

“The difficulty is that we actually know very little about these drugs,” he said. “They’re not legal for this kind of use, which makes it impossible to do any meaningful scientific research on the effects. Some of these cycles require you to take three, four, five different drugs simultaneously, which all remain in your system for different periods of time at different concentrations, and the interactions between all the different drugs just becomes impossible to predict.”

“Using steroids brings the same problems as using any other illegal substance,” adds Johannesburg-based sports physician Dr Rob Collins. “Most people say they’re just going to use one six-week course to get bigger. They get bigger, they go to gym, but next year they want to get a little bigger. Now it becomes a habit, and the more you use, the more likely you are to use stronger products for longer.”

So no surprises then that a Harvard University-led study in 2009 found that about 30% of anabolic-androgenic steroid users appeared to develop a dependence syndrome, “characterised by chronic [steroid] use despite adverse effects on physical, psychosocial or occupational functioning.”

It’s one thing for an adult male 
to experiment with the off-label use of medication that can have such serious side effects, but steroid use in schoolboys brings a whole new set of problems. The manufacture of hormones are central in the transition from adolescence to adulthood, and even old hands in the steroids world are adamant that it’s not a good idea for children to take them.
Collins notes that it’s fairly easy to spot men who took steroids as boys: they’re big, but they tend to be short.

“In adolescents the growth plates fuse in different parts of the body at different ages,” he says. “These [growth plates] are what cause the bones to grow longer. So if you use steroids at an age before they are fused it can cause premature fusion and can actually stunt their growth. So you find, with a lot of kids who used steroids when they were young, they are quite big guys, but they’re short; they can’t get any taller because they fused their growth plates too soon.”

But the high stakes of schoolboy rugby, where your size determines whether or not you can make it onto the first team, into provincial trials, Craven Week, and hopefully the notebooks of Super Rugby talent scouts, has made the ballooning use of steroids among teenage rugby players almost inevitable. And while a lot of the pressure to perform comes from the schoolboys themselves, coaches, doctors and parents seem happy to get involved.

A promising Limpopo schoolboy rugby player, who is currently serving a two-year ban after testing positive for Dianabol at last year’s Craven Week, told his father that steroid use was tacitly encouraged at his school. “One of the teachers at school showed them a video that apparently claimed steroids are less hazardous to you than coffee and cigarettes,” the father recalls.

The boy attended a prominent boarding school and said that he had received the steroids in his hostel, from schoolmates who were also dealers. “At this very same Craven Week tournament where he was tested positive, I was sitting on the stand next to some boys talking about steroids,” his father says. “The one guy asked the other if he wasn’t worried that he’d be caught. He answered that he wasn’t, because of his doctor’s guidance, he’d never test positive.”

And although schools are reluctant to discuss the problem with outsiders, the overwhelming buy-in the South African Institute of Drug Free Sport (SAIDS) has received for its random drug testing in schools effectively amounts to a tacit admission that something is very wrong. According to SAIDS CEO Khalid Galant, the institute received so many requests from schools to be involved in the programme that its initial budget will not be sufficient; they’ll have to raise more funding to complete the programme.

A huge part of the problem with schoolboy steroid abuse is that they work so quickly – and so dramatically. “It was staggering how quickly he put on muscle,” says the mother of a matric boy who attended a prominent Joburg private school. “Within a matter of weeks he was noticeably bigger. And it’s not like he’s a small guy; all the men in our family are big men,” she says.
“We were very lucky though, to catch it early on. My son made the mistake of telling my daughter’s boyfriend about it, and that’s how I found out. I found a veterinary injectable drug and two lots of pills. The thing that worried me the most were the people who are selling the steroids. My son owed them money. In fact, that’s how I found out – he told a friend that he had to sell his X-Box to pay his dealer. I don’t know if these people sell drugs too.”

Dr Collins reckons the compulsion to use steroids for cosmetic reasons is far stronger among adolescents and young men than for sports use. “They see the picture on the front page of a publication like Men’s Health, of a person with this wonderful six-pack and a big chest, and they think that’s what normal is and that’s what they should look like. It’s the same with girls who want to look like Kate Moss, or whoever the latest model is, and become anorexic. School boy rugby players want to get bigger, but once you get to the professional rugby players, they get tested far too much. It’s just not worth it for them – if you weigh up the risk versus the potential gain.”

Especially in the teenage years, boys’ hormone levels are through the roof, so if you add more hormones to that, you get an exaggerated effect Collins says. “Boys do a lot of really stupid things – especially teenagers. You add steroids to that, they tend to do even more stupid things… they become more aggressive, more arrogant, and those effects combine to make them more confident. Now if you have a shy guy who suddenly becomes arrogant and aggressive, that might be good for him. But the danger is you don’t know how aggressive you will become and what you’re going to do when you’re that aggressive.

“Teenagers do a lot of stupid things with normal hormone levels. On steroids it’s like a worse teenager.”

At an anti-doping conference in Stockholm last 
year, International Olympic Committee Medical Commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist said that the use of performance-enhancing drugs was now a public health problem rather than just a sporting problem, because of the “trickle down” effect from elite sportsmen to recreational users and high school athletes. And because of their addictive properties, steroids are still a threat when you’re in your twenties, thirties and older.
“Yes, it’s still dangerous,” says Collins. “The high blood pressure, cholesterol and cardiac effects are still there. The stunted growth will not be a big problem, and nor is the hormone problem, because once you’re out of your teenage years, your hormone levels start to drop, so by taking steroids you’re not compounding that effect.

“The other significant problem is that we really don’t know what these products can do in the long term. They are medically indicated for people with a shortage of hormones; they’re the equivalents of the hormone replacement therapy given to women after menopause. Their effects are not studied in people at the dosages and ages people use them for in bodybuilding or sport. It’s not possible to say that an 18-year-old who uses steroids has an 80% chance of liver cancer.

“By the same token, if a guy were using steroids for three years when he was 18, and he now gets prostate cancer at 55, people will say, ‘Shame, poor guy’, because he might possibly be expected to get prostate cancer at 75. But when he gets it at 55, no-one will say, ‘Oh, but he used steroids when he was 18’. We don’t know what the results might be. I’m speculating.”

“I worry about things like prostate tumours, because one of the treatments for that is to remove testosterone, so increasing testosterone increases the risk of tumours in the genital areas. We also worry about liver and kidney tumours.”

Johann doesn’t need a doctor or a pile of laboratory studies to tell him that steroids are bad for him.

“A friend of mine died of a heart attack. He was a heavy steroid user,” he says. “But all of us, his friends who also took steroids, we didn’t think for a moment that we should stop using. We just thought he died because he injected too much of the stuff. We never thought that we were in trouble.
“At one stage in my life I was injecting 100mg Deca (Durabolin) a week, and my blood pressure got really high. My doctor told me I was dying.”

“But in a couple of weeks I’m going to go back to gym and start training again. And I’m going to start using steroids again. I don’t care if I damage my heart. The feeling of being big again is stronger than the feeling that you’re going to die. I’ve already arranged my stuff.”

Original Article can be found here :

www.mh.co.za/fitness/the-truth-about-juicing/


Dunno who this cop is but hes an absolute tool of note...

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • NeedMoreT
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
More
30 Oct 2013 22:33 #155349 by NeedMoreT
Replied by NeedMoreT on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
At least out favourite site was mentioned in Men's Health. There's always that!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • evilbunny7
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
More
30 Oct 2013 23:07 #155352 by evilbunny7
Replied by evilbunny7 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
the usual roid rage special..... some people are just suckers for hollywwod movie effect of it.... sigh mythbusters should test this and put this myth at rest once and for all..... People who fit the rage picture are 9/10 c*nts whether they used or not...
The following user(s) said Thank You: mike123

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Christian
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
More
31 Oct 2013 06:42 #155360 by Christian
Replied by Christian on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
i can remember this article but is was posted a long time ago in on of this monthly issues, the lack of understanding steroids is huge and steroids get a bad reputation from people who abuse it and use it wrong. menshealth should post an article educating people about the use and understanding of steroids and direct them to this site, i am no steroid guru but i went from knowing nothing to knowing pretty much about steroids due to this site and the Amazing people there are on this site that can teach you all you need to know from nutrition right through to anything you can think off!

thumbs up to Admin the Mods and all on this site for you golden knowledge and advice on anything!
The following user(s) said Thank You: admin, Oupa

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Muscleaddict
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
More
31 Oct 2013 08:53 - 31 Oct 2013 08:53 #155371 by Muscleaddict
Replied by Muscleaddict on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
I lol'd at “At one stage in my life I was injecting 100mg Deca (Durabolin) a week, and my blood pressure got really high. My doctor told me I was dying.”

Yea careful that dose can kill you before you pull the needle out. :D
Last edit: 31 Oct 2013 08:53 by Muscleaddict.
The following user(s) said Thank You: jackrabbit1, Ondier

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • admin
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
More
31 Oct 2013 08:54 #155372 by admin
Replied by admin on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids

evilbunny7 wrote: People who fit the rage picture are 9/10 c*nts whether they used or not...


True
The following user(s) said Thank You: jackrabbit1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mike123
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 09:25 #155383 by mike123
Replied by mike123 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids

Muscleaddict wrote: I lol'd at “At one stage in my life I was injecting 100mg Deca (Durabolin) a week, and my blood pressure got really high. My doctor told me I was dying.”

Yea careful that dose can kill you before you pull the needle out. :D


Also thought WTF....quite a few of those in the article :lol:

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mike123
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 09:26 - 31 Oct 2013 09:32 #155384 by mike123
Replied by mike123 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
D/P
Last edit: 31 Oct 2013 09:32 by mike123.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 00pump
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
More
31 Oct 2013 10:20 #155398 by 00pump
Replied by 00pump on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
hmm... got lots to say, but i'll rather keep it to myself.

"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--Henry Ford

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Pyroclasm
  • New Member
  • New Member
More
31 Oct 2013 12:50 #155437 by Pyroclasm
Replied by Pyroclasm on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
Have much to say but I am rather going to say this.. I feel the writer of the article actually did put in a good effort to research the AAS, he made time to take an example cycle from a well respected site and took it to someone of higher education to analyze. He also tried to get many viewpoints and didn't use the words 'Deca-Sus' once. I give him credit for not spewing a bunch of bro science and hate speech at us but rather for substantiating what he has to say with something credible. It is obvious that he is going to get a lot of resistance from this site, the same way that we would get resistance if we wrote an article promoting steroids and it gets posted on an anti-doping website. He does highlight some important problems with Steroids these days like with regards to teenage users (a growing concern) and people not using steroids correctly getting gyno and all kinds of side effects. Depression, aggression, and a long list of problems are associated with incorrect use of steroids. Take for example a Tren only cycle- I would be a miserable fool!

I think the guy wrote the article with the pre-conceived idea that steroids are bad and this is what I would like to see change. He basically has the exact ideas the entire population have about steroids. I would like to see someone (neigh challenge someone) like this writing this type of article blow all his pre-conceived ideas out of the water and try his best to get to the truth. This person should definately talk to a steroid expert like Dr Scally or one of the mods from this forum for example and let them have their day.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • MCJ
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 13:02 #155440 by MCJ
Replied by MCJ on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
And in other news.....our country's education is shot to shit. Farm murders are a daily occurance and extremely brutal and barbaric. Protests and riots are common sight. Health department is corrupt and bankrupt.....but ja, let's rather worry about steroid users. Users who contribute positively to the economy by paying their taxes and living "normal" lives whatever "normal" is supposed to be. Users who spend tons of money on food at various supermarkets which helps job creation.

You see, this can be spun anyway you as individual want it spun. It all comes down of your personal view.

I agree the kids are a problem. But as for the rest, we are consenting adults willingly taking substances, weather it is done "correct" or "responsible" or not it doesn't matter. We do not contribute to the degeneration of society like users of alcohol do. We do not cause hundreds of fatal car accidents. Our use does not lead to unwanted pregnancy or the spreading of STI's. If u ask me.....I'd say alcohol is much much worse. But what do we / I know?

Size Matters
The following user(s) said Thank You: jackrabbit1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mike123
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 13:10 #155446 by mike123
Replied by mike123 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
I think yes he has taken sernarious from people / teenagers that have done irresponsible cycles and then what he says could be true but for us reading we would no what to do to counter or not be doing cycles like that ...so think Kak...like the deca comment unless it was a typo and he was using 1000 mg...But I dont see any debate happening soon as if u prove it can be done safely then / but I am still of the opinion that u can do one cycle to many and then trt ? which could be seen as a side...

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mike123
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 13:17 - 31 Oct 2013 13:19 #155450 by mike123
Replied by mike123 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
And on a positive back in the day a sight like this would have been band ... B)
Last edit: 31 Oct 2013 13:19 by mike123.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Muscleaddict
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
More
31 Oct 2013 13:18 #155451 by Muscleaddict
Replied by Muscleaddict on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
We all know steroids have side effects and abuse can cause detrimental health risks and even lead to an early death. So can alcohol. But this journalist is a doos. He isn't looking for the truth, he's just using maximum sensationalism in his writing because that's what journalists of gossip magazines do to further their career. This dude Johann was blasting and cruising for 15 years, effectively staying on cycle permantently since he admitted to 3 months of heavy use-> 3 months light use-> repeat. Of course you're going to have some health problems! It's all about moderation + education.
The following user(s) said Thank You: manery

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mike123
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
31 Oct 2013 13:27 #155454 by mike123
Replied by mike123 on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
Yep if 100 people do steroids and 2 people die they will concentrate on the dead ...negative sells better than the positive

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Oupa
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
More
31 Oct 2013 13:31 #155455 by Oupa
Replied by Oupa on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids

Muscleaddict wrote: It's all about moderation + education.


Bulls eye, spot on. B)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • admin
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
More
31 Oct 2013 14:15 - 31 Oct 2013 14:15 #155463 by admin
Replied by admin on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids

MCJ wrote: And in other news.....our country's education is shot to shit. Farm murders are a daily occurance and extremely brutal and barbaric. Protests and riots are common sight. Health department is corrupt and bankrupt.....but ja, let's rather worry about steroid users. Users who contribute positively to the economy by paying their taxes and living "normal" lives whatever "normal" is supposed to be. Users who spend tons of money on food at various supermarkets which helps job creation.

You see, this can be spun anyway you as individual want it spun. It all comes down of your personal view.

I agree the kids are a problem. But as for the rest, we are consenting adults willingly taking substances, weather it is done "correct" or "responsible" or not it doesn't matter. We do not contribute to the degeneration of society like users of alcohol do. We do not cause hundreds of fatal car accidents. Our use does not lead to unwanted pregnancy or the spreading of STI's. If u ask me.....I'd say alcohol is much much worse. But what do we / I know?


I agree 100% on everything you said.
Last edit: 31 Oct 2013 14:15 by admin.
The following user(s) said Thank You: missiondh, MCJ

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mack
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
04 Nov 2013 08:01 - 04 Nov 2013 08:03 #155726 by mack
Replied by mack on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
Got to love these crusaders so concerned about our health that they feel
the need to repeatedly preach to us about what we do with our own
bodies. My use of AS affects no one

"Oscar Mike, Oscar Alpha One, confirm your name begins with Charlie"
Last edit: 04 Nov 2013 08:03 by mack.
The following user(s) said Thank You: admin

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Cyclo
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
28 Nov 2013 20:59 #158234 by Cyclo
Replied by Cyclo on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
This is alot like the whole Melissa Bachmann furore that just broke out on social media in the last two weeks.
An emotive issue that gets a lot of people hot under the collar and will blow over.

But, where we have a responsibility is to ensure the fuckwits who sell the stuff to kids are dealt with.

This is where the heat is going to come on sites like this and dry up supply, quality etc.

Good judgement comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgement.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Kkkyle
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
More
24 Dec 2013 14:05 #159086 by Kkkyle
Replied by Kkkyle on topic MensHealth Aritcle on Steroids
I think the UK has the right idea on gear... Its not illegal for personal use, you just have to figure out how to make steroids materialise out of thin air. Since buying or selling is illegal.

In the city i am in there is even a needle exchange program and counseling available for steroid users... At least ill be able to save a couple pounds on needles :woohoo:

Love the buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! :evil:

I'd rather die standing than live a life on my knees.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum