what are the professionals using

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07 Nov 2013 14:37 #156264 by bob
Hi there all,

I have always wondered what cycles the professionals use as in quantity used and how many different substances used in one cycle.
I'm sure the mods and many other experienced users could help out here as to what professionals like phil heath, ronnie coleman, jay cutler etc cycles would look like.

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07 Nov 2013 15:04 #156266 by crawler
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Test, IGF, HGH etc etc

most of all they diet en train year in and year out, disciplined. And then genetics play a part as well

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07 Nov 2013 15:11 #156267 by bob
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Am I right in saying that they will however be using way higher dosages than normal?

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07 Nov 2013 15:25 #156268 by Oupa
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Not necessarily no.

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07 Nov 2013 16:40 - 07 Nov 2013 16:48 #156272 by manery
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Most of the Top level bodybuilders use a few grams a week when preparing for the olympia. It depends on your genetics and what level you are trying to compete at, but I think its safe to say most of the top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.

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07 Nov 2013 16:50 #156273 by Oupa
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manery wrote: top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.


Everything ??

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07 Nov 2013 17:15 - 07 Nov 2013 17:18 #156275 by Norris7
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Oupa wrote:

manery wrote: top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.


Everything ??


EVERYTHING! ;)

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07 Nov 2013 17:31 #156276 by Oupa
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People have no idea what they are talking about when they make those claims !! NADA !! FOKKOL !!

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07 Nov 2013 19:39 #156278 by bob
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These are the reasons why I am asking as most of them are not open to what they use.

@oupa could you for example suggest a cycle that they would use and at what doses?

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07 Nov 2013 21:16 #156280 by Pyroclasm
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From my side, it's not that I don't think your question interesting especially on a forum like this. The problem unfortunately is that some second team rugby laaitie stumbles onto this thread, reads what the big boys are using and figures this is the proper way to get into the first team and become Prom King. You only live once right? ;) Couple of months later his system can't handle it anymore and he lands up in a coma or worse. For the same reason we are not keen on commenting on insulin usage.

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07 Nov 2013 21:21 #156281 by bob
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I understand fully pyro just thought it would be an interesting topic and thought no sane person would try anything like a professional bodybuilder without years and years of experience and understanding

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07 Nov 2013 23:30 #156283 by MCJ
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Its not so much of how much the "pro's" are using, its more HOW they are using it. They have amazing protocols when it comes to using compounds like insulin and peptides and GH. They get the guidance from world class trainers and expert medical personnel like personalised doctors to mention a few. Combine that with a diet structured for that specific individual and gear he is using and u end up with a massmonster. I have said before on another thread that the mass monsters we see of today is mainly due to insulin. And if u have the genes to add to all of this then u ultimately have the perfect recipe. Is it safe....no. Would the average joe be able to do this....no. Is it affordable....no.

But yes I do believe that some insane dosages are used especially when it comes to testosterone.

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07 Nov 2013 23:43 #156284 by Oupa
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Solid info. +1 MCJ.

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08 Nov 2013 01:58 #156286 by Thunderbeast
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Well, if you look around on the net, Dorian has said it a few times.... thing is people call bullshit when they dont see what they want to see.

His ofseason cycle if I remeber correctly was:
Test: 1000mg per week
Deca: 500mg per week
Dbol: 50mg per day
HGH: 8 iu's per day

He would do this for 8 weeks and then lower the dosages for a month and then turn it up again for 3 or so cycles back to back.

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08 Nov 2013 12:24 #156311 by Empire
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hire one of the prep coaches as a prep coach and i think u will all be surprised at the dosages used!

1400mg of test from oil a week average
600mg of equipoise a week avergage
400mg of NPP a week average
700mg of water based anaboics a week
off season 100mg of orals a day dbol/anapolin.
gh and igf

some prep coaches dont believe in using insulin and dont include it in their programs.

pre contest u dont even want to know what is going on there.
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08 Nov 2013 13:09 #156323 by Norris7
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DJ you're back! We missed you! :woohoo:

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08 Nov 2013 23:14 - 08 Nov 2013 23:14 #156373 by Thunderbeast
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DJ wrote: hire one of the prep coaches as a prep coach and i think u will all be surprised at the dosages used!

1400mg of test from oil a week average
600mg of equipoise a week avergage
400mg of NPP a week average
700mg of water based anaboics a week
off season 100mg of orals a day dbol/anapolin.
gh and igf

some prep coaches dont believe in using insulin and dont include it in their programs.

pre contest u dont even want to know what is going on there.


What
would this be? Test SUSP? WINNY?
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08 Nov 2013 23:40 #156374 by Muscleaddict
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Only other water based ones I can think of are methandriol and injectable anadrol/dbol.

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09 Nov 2013 14:07 #156383 by Thunderbeast
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Muscleaddict wrote: Only other water based ones I can think of are methandriol and injectable anadrol/dbol.


PGW was testing injectable anadrol at a time... What happened to that?

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09 Nov 2013 15:02 #156386 by Muscleaddict
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I don't know. I don't think there is enough demand for it.

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