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17 Oct 2014 09:34 #176234 by donkiekong
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Hay guys hope all of you are still good

I was reading through some of the old threads and there have been lots of questions on letrozole as it seems lots om newbie steroids users seem to opt for letrozole as there choice of AI

I saw one post where there was explained that 3 drops of letrozol = 3mg and that there is no difference when with letrozole at 2.5mg and 3mg

So I am assuming that if you wanted to run your letrozole on cycle E3D at 2.5mg that would mean you use 3 drops E3D

Sorry for this silly question but I am sure that someone out there does not fully understand the letrozol dosage so I'm sure this would come in handy with newbies opting for letrozole as there AI and this would lead to less letrozole dosage questions in the future

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17 Oct 2014 10:06 #176239 by Chem1
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IMO arimidex or aromasin are best AIs on cycle.
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17 Oct 2014 10:28 #176243 by donkiekong
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Yes they Are better choices of AI on cycle but also more expensive and more newbies on first cycle would go for letrozole so I opened this thread to try and help some newbies in the future to be able to dose the letrozole accurately because there are to many people in the gym giving incorrect (bro-science) answers and dosages about letrozole

I hope you understand the point I am trying to make and that I'm trying to help out a bit

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17 Oct 2014 11:22 #176251 by Chem1
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I wouldn't have anyone (including a newbie) take letrozole as their on cycle AI because it's too harsh on the body. Even if it was cheaper, which I'm not sure it is, I still wouldn't use it.

Letro has its place for example it can be effective at reversing bad cases of gyno.
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17 Oct 2014 11:24 #176252 by admin
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donkiekong wrote: I saw one post where there was explained that 3 drops of letrozol = 3mg and that there is no difference when with letrozole at 2.5mg and 3mg


No no no, 3 drops of Letrozole is 0.3mg and not 3mg as you state.

There is a moerse difference between 0.3mg and 2.5mg of Letrozole. A low dose of Letro like 0.3mg is effective with minimal side-effects and as long as you don't use it for long periods you don't have to worry about the horror stories we sometimes read about Letro.

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17 Oct 2014 11:27 #176253 by admin
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Chem1 wrote: I wouldn't have anyone (including a newbie) take letrozole as their on cycle AI because it's too harsh on the body. Even if it was cheaper, which I'm not sure it is, I still wouldn't use it.

Letro has its place for example it can be effective at reversing bad cases of gyno.


I advise newbies every single day to keep Letro on hand, in fact I advised a newbie this morning. As long as you take a low dose when required there is no greater risk from taking Letro compared to something else like Adex.

Letro is considerably cheaper and a bottle of the liquid stuff lasts ages since you need very little at a time.

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17 Oct 2014 11:31 #176255 by admin
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I wonder if the constant negativity regarding Letro is actually coming from people with experience in the drug or whether it's just people saying something that they heard from someone else?

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17 Oct 2014 11:32 #176256 by Chem1
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admin wrote:

Chem1 wrote: I wouldn't have anyone (including a newbie) take letrozole as their on cycle AI because it's too harsh on the body. Even if it was cheaper, which I'm not sure it is, I still wouldn't use it.

Letro has its place for example it can be effective at reversing bad cases of gyno.


I advise newbies every single day to keep Letro on hand, in fact I advised a newbie this morning. As long as you take a low dose when required there is no greater risk from taking Letro compared to something else like Adex.

Letro is considerably cheaper and a bottle of the liquid stuff lasts ages since you need very little at a time.


Absolutely, used acutely when required for gyno problems should be fine. However the OP was talking about running it E3D throughout a cycle. Based on my research there are better options available.

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17 Oct 2014 11:41 #176258 by admin
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I accept your opinion and I also agree that there are other options available, but which ones would you say are better and why are they better?

I'm asking because I want to learn from your views and it might help me provide better advice to others as well.

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17 Oct 2014 11:53 #176262 by donkiekong
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Sorry for the mistake admin

Almost every guy you see in virgin active has something bad to say about letro how its harsh on the body and you have to stay away from it atc. But 99.9% of all that they are hearing is bro-science

I am talking out of experience because I am a personal trainer at a well known virgin active

Letro got a bad name from people that don't know how to use it and over dosed the substance because they think more is better , and that's not the case with letro , a little go's a long way

As admin said 0.3mg ( 3 drops ) is effective with minimal side effect and in the liquid form , it would last you ages

So won't it be a good use of money to buy letro and use it at very low dosages?

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17 Oct 2014 12:02 #176264 by Chem1
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The amount of antidotal evidence including from a few people I trust on the sides of letro rule it out for me as a on cycle AI. I've never looked at the literature on letro like I have other drugs but I trust the people I learn from mostly over at datbtrue.

But I not necessarily advising people don't use the stuff on cycle I'm just saying I think there are better options. That's all.

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17 Oct 2014 12:39 #176265 by admin
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Chem1, give me an example of a better option at least.

Fortunately I have plenty of personal experience with Letro on cycle to know that it can be used in such a manner that it is not much worse (if any) than other AI's.

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17 Oct 2014 12:40 #176266 by admin
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donkiekong wrote: So won't it be a good use of money to buy letro and use it at very low dosages?


It is, it's the best AI of them all when you compare side-effects and value for money on a LOW dose taken every couple of days.

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17 Oct 2014 12:44 #176267 by Rhino
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I choose Letro every time. I've tried all the others and not even Aromasin was as effective as Letro.
I run .3mg EOD on all my cycles(the last one being 6 months on) and have never had an issue with sides.
The only time I've had sides from letro is when other AI haven't been effective and I've had to switch to Letro at a VERY high dose to catch the Gyno before it got out of hand.

It all boils down to how Gyno prone you are and frankly I'd rather have a Gun at a knife fight than vice versa

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17 Oct 2014 12:58 #176269 by donkiekong
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Well for me personally that clears up that letro at a LOW dosage used wisely and not over dosing or thinking more is better confirms that letro is indeed a good AI and very good value for money and gets the job done

Here are 2 very experienced people with real world experience with letro and not having any problems with it even on a long cycle (rhino's 6 month cycle)

So letro 3 drops , low dosage , on cycle as your AI is good to go

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17 Oct 2014 13:11 #176270 by IronHeart
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I agree I have used Letro with almost all my cycles it's great stuff and it's cheap.

I have also read that other AI's are better, like Aromasin, from personal experience I can say that Aromasin isn't bad, but letro is more effective.

I have run letro at 20 drops a day and the sides were bearable.

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17 Oct 2014 13:34 - 17 Oct 2014 14:01 #176272 by Chem1
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Rhino wrote: It all boils down to how Gyno prone you are and frankly I'd rather have a Gun at a knife fight than vice versa


Agree with this. If I was highly prone to get gyno I'd consider using letro throughout my cycles. Thankfully I'm not.

I do think though that too many people just throw ancillaries in throughout a cycle in an unthinking way. It's quite common for most people to do a 500 test cycle with no need to run an AI. Even up to 700mg. Should itchy nipples arise they can knock estrogen back with a dose or two a week with Adex or often just reducing the estrogen activity at the nipple with some low dose Nolva.

Also I think one reason some people seem to need more AIs than should be has more to do with their body fat levels than it necessary does with the conversion solely from the AAS.

Form a bodybuilding standpoint estrogen plays an important role in muscle building. I think a lot of people probably crush E levels too much and actually hinder gains. This has a higher chance of happening with incorrect usage of letro.

All in all I prefer adjusting my dosing of adex depending on how aromatizing my cycle is. And bring in nolva if required for gyno sides. This is also where I'd put letro (in replace of nolva) if I had to put it anywhere.
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17 Oct 2014 13:44 #176273 by Rhino
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Agreed I wish I wasn't Gyno prone but if I go over 500mg of test I'm in shit without an Ai and my BF is always sub 10. If it's your first cycle just keep it on hand learn about your body and only use it if needed.

Donkiekong you shouldn't even be thinking about gear or cycling until your BF is much lower. I say don't cycle unless you can see your abs and from what your other thread says at 20% that's a good while off for you.

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17 Oct 2014 13:53 #176275 by Rhino
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I have found if I run Mast at a decent dose I don't need an AI if I keep the test under 600mg :lol:
Were all different

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17 Oct 2014 14:12 #176276 by admin
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Rhino wrote: If it's your first cycle just keep it on hand learn about your body and only use it if needed.


Yes, I agree and that is exactly the advice I give first timers. Letro in my opinion is perfect for this job, it's affordable and it's powerful, but still safe if used at low dose when needed.

However, just like Rhino I also use Letro during cycle due to my sensitivity to oestrogen and I've never had issues with a low dose. I also agree that one shouldn't eliminate oestrogen during a cycle at all, but that is the point of only taking a low dose and even skipping a day or two between doses.

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17 Oct 2014 14:24 - 17 Oct 2014 14:25 #176277 by PoisonedPulse
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Out of my personal experience... Based on myself and others feedback.

Adex is far superior in my opinion at sorting out your entry level Gyno signs, I can use a low dose, side effect free to combat things like itchy nipples etc. without removing too much estrogen. (My adex price from supplier makes it worthwhile to keep on hand)

Letro i definitely keep for higher dosed cycles tho...

I recommend a lot of guys onto Adex for early signs, I do feel it's alot less harsh on my system. And guys with tissue forming and lumps will I advise Letro, works like a bomb for the severe Gyno effects.

But each to there own, low dose Adex or low dose Letro... Moderation and manipulation of doses can always yield your preferred outcome.

Just my reports and experiences.
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17 Oct 2014 14:35 #176278 by donkiekong
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Haha will be taking that as a challenge then rhino , I'll show you my asb in the december , I will upload a pic haha
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17 Oct 2014 15:18 #176281 by IronHeart
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Didn't someone post that Aromasin or Arimidex work a lot quicker than Letro?

I may be wrong but I think I read it a while ago

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17 Oct 2014 15:39 #176282 by Oupa
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Dont recall a post like that..

Only time i get gyno issues is when i use 10 liter tren a day :P

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17 Oct 2014 15:50 #176283 by Morrgear
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I used Letro during last 2 cycles and found it very difficult to find the right amount. On 3 drops every second day my Estrodial levels were in the 600s (ratio of T/E was still within range so didn't have Gyno but was retaining water). Upped the dose to 3 drops per day and Estrodial went down to undetectable, Libido hit Zero - was impossible to get the balance right. On current cycle I switched to anastrozole, 5 drops per day and Estrodial is smack bang in the reference range.

My N=1 experience, clearly others will differ based on their own sensitivity.

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