When to start

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17 Nov 2014 12:31 - 17 Nov 2014 12:39 #177641 by TheGrove
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Hi Guys, need some advice.

I have got everything i need to start the beginners cycle (cyp/dbol) but wondering about the timing.

I am currently cutting down, gone from 105kg to 91kg and looking great, have a small layer of belly fat that I was planning to drop over the next two weeks then up my calories and start first shot on the 5th December when i go on leave.

But this got me thinking, would it not be better to start upping my calories now and start the cycle next week, then by the time I go on leave the gear will almost be in full swing, considering while on leave (4 weeks in total) i have the opportunity to get in extra sleep and push even harder.

Bit of background, started training very young, went from aroung 65kg to 95kg naturally then got introduced to sus and decca, finally ended on 115kg. I changed jobs/provinces about four years ago and things where tough ended up training on and off so got a bit of a gut etc and dropped to the 105kg, now life is back on track and 6 months ago got into the swing of things.

Stats

Height : 1.86m
Weight : 91kg
bf : 16%
Age : 29

Currently train 7 days a week, cardio 4 days, weights 3 days. I find that works well for me and the cardio speeds up my recovery, will adjust when i start bulking.

Diet is good, will post planned cycle diet when I get home, using my phone to post so kinda sucks and excuse any typos.
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17 Nov 2014 19:56 - 17 Nov 2014 20:02 #177655 by TheGrove
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So this is the diet so far, I train early morning.

4:30 Pre workout

1.5 tins tuna
100g oats
30g raisins
1 x solgar vm-2000
1 x solvar vitamin c
2 x omega 3
1 x Glucosamine Chondroitin (for joints)

5:45 train (will have bcaa's, 10g pre and 10g during)

7:00 Post workout

60g whey
50g maltodextrin

7:45

5 egg whites
3 eggs
100g oats

11:00

200g steak
30g almonds

14:30

60g whey
30g peanut butter
1 x solgar vm-2000
2 x omega 3

18:00

150g chicken
1 cup brown rice

21:00

200g chicken
30g almonds

approximately 370g protein, 259g carbs and 105g fat. +- 3300 calories 44%p:31%c:25%f.

Just wondering if an hour is enough to digest the pre workout meal or if I should adjust that.

Any feedback on the above would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys.
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18 Nov 2014 11:26 - 18 Nov 2014 11:28 #177681 by Chem1
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I'd start the cycle when you can focus all your time on it. So whenever that is for you.

I'd have my PreWO after the first meal. Training that early and soon after waking I'd also make the first meal as easy on my digestive system as possible and quick digesting. So I personally couldn't do tuna, oats. I'd go with a whey/carb shake or cream of rice+whey or a whey protein sludge just mix with tiny amount of water to create a sludge consistency. You could throw a carb powder in there too and a little fruit if desired. Just anything very light and quickly digested is the main thing though.

At 5:30 I'd take my PreWO. At 5:45 you'll be ready to go.

During the back-end of WO I'd start drinking the amino's with carbs.

I'd skip the PWO whey shake and move straight to your 7:45 meal.

Everything else seems ok. Maybe add in a few veggies ;)

As for training, if you normally train 3 days a week I'd up that to at least 4 days while on cycle, preferably 5.
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18 Nov 2014 13:06 #177698 by TheGrove
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Thanks Chem1, decided last night now is as good a time as any. Done the first shot last night.

Could not stomach the tuna so early, blended oats, whey and some water, threw in the raisins and was good to go.

Having carbs again preWO had me feeling significantly better in gym, I could push much harder, don't think I will go the low carb route again.

For veggies, just sticking with broccoli and spinach, sorry did not include it in the above diet.

Im going to train one day on one day off and up the intensity then over the next two weeks see how it goes then maybe change to two days on one off.

With regards to the cream of rice is that the same as the cerelac rice cereal, if not where can i get from? That looks like a better option, do you have it with milk or water?

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