Blood Results - Need Advice Please.

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28 Dec 2015 14:39 - 28 Dec 2015 14:53 #194385 by eatClen
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Hello all and season greetings!

Stats:

Gender: Male
Age: 32
Weight: 85
Height: 177cm
Diet: Clean and Strict since June 2015. 6 Meals a day. Protein solid with each meal. Whey Post Training and Before Bed
Progress: Dropped BF from 25% to 14%
Training: 6 days weight and cardio (20min high intensity every day)
Cycles: First Cycle 2013 - embarrassment; killed my receptors and took months to recover and learn the hard way.
Second Cycle July 2015 - HGH (Keifei 100IU x3 over 3 months), Test P, EQ, Primo, T Bol, Proviron. proper PCT (Clomid, Nolva, HCG)

Could someone please look at my blood results HERE and advise if all is OK before my next cycle, 04 Jan. 2016?

My estradiol is somewhat low which can possibly be because I did not use my Nolva long enough (or as outlined in the PCT category on this site. (Only discovered this site after my last cycle). Can anyone elaborate here a bit please?

Low Vit. D I figure might be related to my darker skin type and perhaps my recent use of Melanotan II? Can I just supplement with a Vit. D here?

Any advise or info here will be greatly appreciated.

Happy new year to all!

Thank you,
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28 Dec 2015 15:18 - 30 Dec 2015 15:10 #194387 by Pyroclasm
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The vitamin D deficiency is the same as mine was. 17 is VERY LOW and the real reference range should be 50-100. Easy fix here- ask your pharmacist for Calciferol. It's 50000iu of vitamin D per tab. Take it twice a week after a fatty meal for three months and then test again.

You are not ready for a cycle as you have not fully recovered from your previous cycle. I say this because both your LH and FSH is low, which logically leads to low total test. I advise you to redo PCT 2, wait 12 weeks, then retest. Low estradiol in your specific scenario is not a worrying factor.
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28 Dec 2015 15:21 #194391 by eatClen
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Awesome stuff, thanks for your quick reply Pyroclasm, much appreciated!

Although I will definitely take your advise and not start my next Cycle 04 Jan. 2016, what would happen if one had to start anyway and finish off with the PCT outlined on this site?

Just curious to know.

Many thanks for your input here Pyro!

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28 Dec 2015 15:51 #194400 by Pyroclasm
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No problem mate just let me know where to send the bill. ;) It would be the same as being on a full cycle since your first cycle all the way up to the end of your second cycle. Imagine how shut down you would be after 50 weeks on cycle!

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28 Dec 2015 15:57 - 28 Dec 2015 16:03 #194402 by eatClen
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Pyroclasm wrote: Imagine how shut down you would be after 50 weeks on cycle!


Not good news!

Does the fact that I will be shut down because of a 50 week cycle (with PCT) mean, my next PCT will be useless?

What about Aromasin on Cycle starting 04 Jan 2016 and the immediate use of hCG?
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28 Dec 2015 18:03 #194406 by Pyroclasm
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No cycle until your HPTA has recovered and fully functional without the help of meds! Instead of thinking about a cycle you should be thinking of doing a proper PCT.

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29 Dec 2015 09:04 #194418 by Rooi Bul 86
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If you cycle now without first making sure you are fully recovered you run the risk of doing permanent damage to your HPTA.

It is on you. It always has been...
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29 Dec 2015 09:29 #194421 by eatClen
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Thanks for your input Rooi Bul 86.

I am taking the advise seriously.

Will use the peptides (GHRP & GHRH) during my recovery time to aid with recovery.

I will continue to run FFF throughout unless someone thinks otherwise.

Thank you all.

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29 Dec 2015 09:44 #194422 by Rooi Bul 86
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Don't see a problem with running FFF. Train hard and heavy and eat clean and mean to keep strength up. Training heavy and focusing on compound moves will also help elevate Natural Test.

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16 Jan 2016 08:24 #195171 by eatClen
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Hi guys,

I waited 3 weeks and did my blood tests again.



Probably a tad to soon, but I am starting my cycle this Monday.

I just have 1 concern:

How can my FSH drop so dramatically in 3 weeks?
Should I still wait with cycle another few weeks because of this?

Anything else you notice?

Appreciate the input guys.

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16 Jan 2016 09:16 #195173 by Pyroclasm
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FSH has halved but your test levels doubled which tells me that your testes are responding better to the FSH, hence lower levels are needed. Your estradiol recovered nicely as expected. Overall your HPTA is now in its recovery period and you need to give it another 6 weeks to be at full strength. It will also give your kidneys some more time to recover. But you didn't test for Vit D?

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16 Jan 2016 10:40 - 16 Jan 2016 10:47 #195176 by eatClen
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Pyroclasm wrote: FSH has halved but your test levels doubled which tells me that your testes are responding better to the FSH, hence lower levels are needed. Your estradiol recovered nicely as expected. Overall your HPTA is now in its recovery period and you need to give it another 6 weeks to be at full strength. It will also give your kidneys some more time to recover. But you didn't test for Vit D?


Hello Pyroclasm!

I am glad someone knows whats going on with those blood results as my house Dr. is clueless. I have specifically asked for Cholesterol, Thyroid and Vit.D along with the LH & FSH, and he said that this is not necessary. I have explained why it is and he knows that I am an AAS user...

I forgot to mention what I have done as part of my HPTA recovery over the last few weeks as follows:

Daily Supplementation of - Aswaganda (SOLAL), Horny Goat Weed (Dischem), Testosterone Booster (MuscleTech), Calciverol (prescription remedy for treatment of low Vit.D), Essentiale (for the liver) and ZinMag Sport.

My other normal daily supplementation of - MultiVit (Biogen), Omega3 (Biogen), Flaxeed (Biogen), CalMag (Dischem), CLA3000 (Biogen).

GHRP & GHRH - daily POST Training

Diet - Calorie Maintenance.

Training - Very Heavy (max 8 rep i.e. 8, 6, 4)

and of course the PCT1.

Still doing FFF. This shits good, I seem to stay vascular and veins are popping nicely. Love that dry look in the morning, looking down at legs and all you see is veins ;)

Thanks for your input Pyroclasm.
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16 Jan 2016 12:25 #195185 by Pyroclasm
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Tell your doc he must wake the Furk up!

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16 Jan 2016 14:12 #195191 by Furk
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You called? What's up mate?

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