Teen aas use.

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17 May 2016 14:16 #199202 by Mc
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Hi guys, just wanted to know what age is good to start using steroids? From a teen aspiring to be Mr. Olympia one day

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17 May 2016 19:03 #199212 by admin
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I suggest you read the rules for this forum first.

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19 May 2016 02:11 #199244 by zaino
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Is there any evidence for the recommendation to not cycle too young?

This question gets asked by young new guys constantly and its about time we provided some real evidence to back up our stance on not cycling before you reach your mid 20s.
First lets look at the physiological impact aas has if you cycle too early...

press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2010-0435

"High-dose sex steroid treatment of boys does not affect their fatherhood or semen quality, as assessed after a mean follow-up of 21 years; however, serum testosterone levels are significantly reduced in androgen-treated tall men...
The treatment of tall stature is based on the understanding that exposure to gonadal steroids leads to epiphyseal fusion of the long bones during pubertal development."

"Leydig cell function was significantly affected by androgen treatment. In treated men, both serum testosterone and non-SHBG-bound testosterone levels were significantly reduced compared with untreated men. We hypothesize that the decreased T levels may be caused by reduced Leydig cell growth during puberty and suboptimal functioning of the Leydig cells in later life."


My interpretation

The group of guys in this study were treated back in the 60s & 70s with sustanon 250 for 1 1/2 years in order to stop them from getting too tall - this was seen as a bad thing back then.
They then did a follow up 21yrs later to see if there were any lasting side effects compared to base levels of untreated men.

The good news was that there was NO negative impact on fertility/sperm quality - this should calm those that fear that they wont be able to have children if they cycle. Although I should add that fertility issues to arise when women cycle but that's another post entirely.
The bad news is that serum T levels were SIGNIFICANTLY lowered for the guys treated with aas during their adolescence, it was still in the normal range but only just - the guys in this study will need to go on TRT at some point in their later years.
The study also shows that steroids are used to REDUCE height growth during puberty, this means that you can forget about getting any taller if you start cycling

The results are not conclusive, but do provide strong evidence for what most of the vets here already know -cycling too young increases the risk of needing TRT in the future because your interfering with your endocrine system before its finished developing.
It also shows that your growth plates will shut the minute you introduce endogenous hormones into your body - so if your still 5'7...


Is there any evidence for the recommendation to not cycle too young? Part 2

Ok this is a continuation of the same topic but instead of focusing on the implications for the endocrine system, I will be looking at what impact, if any, early steroid use has on brain development.
Let's start with some solid data...

Androgenic anabolic steroid exposure during adolescence: ramificati... - PubMed - NCBI

"Studies in both humans and animal models indicate that AAS exposure during adolescence alters normal brain remodeling, including structural changes and neurotransmitter function... The evidence suggests that the use of AAS during this critical period of development may increase the risk for maladaptive behaviors along with neurological disorders."

"Specifically, pubertal AAS abuse may contribute to abnormal brain development, or at least alter the normal trajectory of brain development, resulting in increased vulnerability for psychopathological and disorders and maladaptive behaviors."


The Influence of Age of Onset and Acute Anabolic Steroid Exposure o... - PubMed - NCBI

"A growing translational literature suggests that adolescent exposure to anabolic-androgenic steroids (AASs) leads to increased aggression and impulsivity. However, little is known about the cognitive effects of AASs among AAS users or the differences between adolescent- and adult-onset users. Adolescent onset was associated with greater impulsivity and more acute sensitivity to AAS effects on attention. These preliminary findings suggest the possibility that acute AAS use is associated with some differences in inhibitory control and impulsivity and to a lesser degree, aggression. These effects may be more potent for those initiating AAS use in adolescence."


My Interpretation & personal views

Both of these are fairly recent studies providing an insight into the impact aas has neurologically & whether this impact is greater at a younger age.
The first study, which is free to read for everyone, highlights the many behavioural changes that could occur when you interfere with the natural stages of brain remodelling.
The second study is much more relevant since it makes a direct comparison between adolescent aas use vs adult aas use. Although this was a small base with only 11 participants on each side, the authors found clear differences from a behavioural & neurological perspective - with younger use associated with much more pronounced negative changes.

It is commonly accepted that the brain doesn't fully mature until the early to mid 20s.
Is their a direct study illustrating this? Not that I'm aware of but reading through any basic human biology book will give you a fundamental understanding that this is indeed the case.
Or, if your not the reading type, how many people do you know below the age of say...23-25...that are very mature & have excellent behavioural characteristics? Exactly
Humans don't grow in an EQUAL manner when it comes to physical & mental maturity - the brain tends to take a more years when compared to the body.

Now IMO, it seems like a very bad idea to introduce large supraphysiological dosages of aas during age-specific developmental periods.
Could it permanently alter the organization of the brain during this important developmental period? Honestly, we don't know but I tend to prefer being cautious when it comes to things like brain development.

To summarise this:
Does early aas use increase the risk of lowering your natural testosterone levels compared to cycling at a later stage? Yes.
Does early aas use increase the risk of develop behavioural & neurological disorders when compared to cycling at a later stage? Yes.
Is it worth risking your physical & mental development in order to cycle a few years earlier? No.
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19 May 2016 03:02 #199245 by Furk
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Good post zaino. Very thorough.

But since it's your first and only post, let me ask: is that direct copy-paste?

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19 May 2016 06:33 #199246 by 00pump
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Yes it is.

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19 May 2016 08:39 - 19 May 2016 08:41 #199250 by Killa
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@Mc & zaino

Awesome post (zaino)

Let's think about this logically, even with or without evidence. Does AAS have effect on your hormones - YES. Does AAS have Side effects - YES. Do people tend to miss use and abuse AAS & Drugs - YES. I Could carry on like this for ages, but im just highlighting 3 main points.

Technically nobody should be using, does that make it more clear?
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20 May 2016 20:11 #199305 by Furk
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00pump wrote: Yes it is.

@Zaino, you should give credit where it's due. Nobody will look down on you posting a link to a well written article. But omitting the source completely implies that's all your work, that's a dick move.

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20 May 2016 22:42 #199314 by zaino
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Direct copy and paste yeah, although the source where I copied from had also basically compiled the info together as I have seen the studies separately over the past few months on different forums. Nevertheless credit is due where credit is due the guy goes as rippedzilla on steroidology.com.
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