Hey guys i recently did some research about the world of UG Labs and why some are good and why some aren't read this and you'll soon see.
Let’s have a talk about anabolic steroids as they are bought and sold today. A
couple of decades ago there was a raging debate between Human Grade vs.
Veterinary Grade steroids. Now there is a third contender in the ring, and it’s a free
for all! That third contender is the UnderGround Lab (UGL for short). Let’s talk
about all three of these very worthy contenders and then I’ll give you my thoughts
on each. I will also tell you how I choose to spend my hard earned money, given
these choices.
The easiest of these three to identify is Human Grade gear. Major pharmaceutical
companies like Organon and Upjohn for use by human beings produce these.
Simple, huh?
The second category is veterinary grade steroids. This is a touchy category in recent
years and is increasingly a grey area. See, generally, you would assume
“veterinary” meant for animals, right? And two decades ago, you would have been
correct. If you purchased a bottle of Ganabol, it was certainly intended to end up
being shot into some horse’s butt somewhere or another. Generally, animal steroids
came as low(er) dosed preparations, which was good because, generally, animals
require much lower doses than Mr. Olympia Competitors. Then Ttokkyo came out
with a 300mg/ml 10cc bottle of Nandrolone Decanoate with a huge mastiff (dog) on
the bottle with the slogan “Keep your pets healthy and strong” (wink wink, nudge
nudge). Now there are a lot of “Vet” companies making interesting products which
are clearly intended for human use. The deal is that generally most countries have
much less strict guidelines for vet products as opposed to human grade
pharmaceuticals. As a result, now we have a million “Vet” companies making some
cool stuff for us. Do we consider that veterinary grade? Yeah, for the purposes of
this chapter, if there’s a picture of a dog (or cat, or llama, or whatever) on the box or
bottle we’ll consider it Veterinary Grade, regardless of the intentions of the products
manufacturer.
Now, finally and most interestingly (to me) is the UnderGround Lab. This business is
just booming, and to help keep up with it, and maybe even make some sense of it, I
usually separate them into three categories (three generations, actually).
First generation underground Labs (such as International Pharmaceuticals aka IP)
are the ones who actually buy their raw steroid powders and oils directly from Raw
Pharmaceutical Supply houses. In this category are luminaries such as Dpharm,
(who may or may not be in business anymore) M-Labs, and Stark Labs. Although
British Dragon and British Dispensary are legitimately registered pharmaceutical
companies, I consider them to be in this category as well. Why? Walk into a
hospital anywhere in the world, and you won’t find their products there. The same
goes for BodyResearch. They are, for all intents and purposes, just another first
generation UGLab.
Second Generation Underground Labs are ones who don’t obtain their powders
directly from the source. Instead, they go through a middleman, and believe it or
not, that is often simply a first generation Lab. Clearly, they are going to have to
charge considerably more for their products, as compared to first generation Labs.
And of course, there are even third generation UGLabs. As you may have guessed,
these guys are the very bottom of the food chain and often charge a lot for their
products because their raw materials have passed through quite a few hands.
Having been involved in the game for quite some time now, I’ve seen a lot of Labs
come and go. I was involved with the original anabolic steroid message boards, (we
had around 10,000 members almost half a decade ago) and I was there when
powders just started becoming available to the average guy. At that time, Dpharm
was operating under another name and selling human grade anabolics and powders.
He contacted me and gave me some Eq powder (it’s actually an oil at room
temperature) for me to make into an injectable form for myself, and in return, I gave
him some ideas on what a good product line for an emerging underground Lab may
contain. Since then, I know he was looking to get out of the business and may have
done so by the time this book is printed. He was a gentleman in all of my dealings
with him, as were most UGLabs and steroid dealers (called “sources” in current
jargon).
Such is the story of many of the first generation UGLabs who have been around for a
while. The smart ones invest their money and get out of the business.
I also have had the opportunity to watch a very small underground Lab, Stark Labs,
develop from the ground floor to the very well run private Lab it is today. Stark Labs
started out as a member, and later a moderator, on a board I was staffed on. He
then left the staff to pursue his venture as an Underground Lab (this was necessary,
for illegal activities are not tolerated by any Internet discussion boards that I would
be a part of). Anyway, Stark left the staff at that board to pursue this venture, and I
was one of his first customers. I bought and tested many of his products, and they
all came out to contain exactly what they were supposed to and at the proper dose.
Early on, he had some problems with his injectables “crashing” (coming out of
solution) or in the case of his Testosterone Suspension, (made with Propelyne Glycol,
not just an aqueous suspension) it actually became SOLID (!) at room temperature.
Anyway, all that was necessary was to reheat them, but that’s the type of products
you’ll see from a new underground Lab; slightly inconsistent formulas and occasional
problems like this are not uncommon. Stark Labs overcame those issues in later
batches, of course, and produced many fine products.
Unfortunately, I have also been exposed to the dirty side of the Underground Lab
game also. I’ve seen and heard some stories that would make you sick; I don’t need
to repeat all of them here, but I know of a Lab whose products gave one guy an
abscess, while the discussion board that Lab called home (and the staff and owner of
that board) all denied culpability for that Lab’s products being unsafe. I’ve heard of
Labs that threaten people for saying that their products aren’t great, and even some
Labs that give their customers fake or doctored Lab reports on their goods. Others
have tried to pass off one drug (Tren) as being a much more expensive one
(Masteron). At least their customers got something though; some products could
contain nothing! But, I still feel your chance of finding a good product (at a good
price) from a reputable Underground Lab is high.
Clearly, there are both good and bad Underground Labs out there, and finding a
good one is all part of the game. You then have to hope that Lab doesn’t get busted
or retire to start a legit business with their drug money!
Remember Dan Duchaine? Well, he used to run a mail order steroid business, and
his old business partner (the co-author of the first Underground Steroid Handbook)
took that money and invested it into a supplement company. That company is now
one of the largest in the world and it was all built from selling amps of Deca and Test
in the 80’s! You’d be surprised (shocked?) at how many supplement companies got
their start from being steroid dealers.
This next part is probably the most shocking thing I’m going to tell you in the entire
book:
I prefer using underground Labs to human grade gear (i.e. I would use Stark Labs
over a major “legit” pharmaceutical company). Why? Several reasons, actually.
There are far fewer counterfeits and/or bootlegs made of them as compared to legit
human grade steroids. It’s much more profitable to counterfeit an amp of Primobolan
and sell it for $12-15 per milliliter than to try to make a fake vial of (say) Stark
Primobolan and sell all ten milliliters for $100. Then economics just aren’t there to
justify faking a UG Product over (say) an Organon one.
In addition, the owners of the first generation Underground Labs have very good
quality control and very sterile conditions to produce their steroids under. You know
why? They use them! Yeah, that’s right, every UGLab owner is basically an AAS
user himself and uses his own products. To my thinking, that’s the best quality
control in the world, and the best endorsement. In addition, you can find some cool
stuff available only from Underground Labs, like long estered Masteron or
Trenbolone. On the next pages, you’ll see the Lab tests I had done on Stark Labs
Trenbolone Enanthate as well as other products. It tested out very well, but as noted
on the Lab report, they had nothing to compare it to, as no Trenbolone Enanthate
existed to get base scores from before underground Labs started producing it. In
addition, with underground Labs, you’ll find some highly concentrated (milligram per
milliliter) gear available, and that brings me to a very interesting point:
You’re going to get better results from taking a more highly concentrated steroid as
opposed to a less concentrated one, even if the milligram amounts are the same.
That’s right, if one guy takes (for example) a 100mg shot of Deca which is 25mgs/ml
(i.e. he takes a 4ml shot equaling 100 total mgs) and another takes that same
milligram amount as one ml (i.e. he takes a 1ml 100mg/ml shot), the second guy is
going to have a higher blood plasma level of Nandrolone (1). Why is this, when they
both took 100mgs total? To be honest, I don’t know why this is, but that’s what the
Minto et. al. study has shown us. This could explain why the 200mg/ml
Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron Enanthate) I used gave me the better results
than the 100mg/ml Drostanolone Propionate (Masteron) I used, even though the
longer ester prevents a higher peak blood plasma level of a given hormone.*
Let’s review those two points:
1. More highly concentrated steroids provide higher blood plasma levels of the
base hormone even when total milligram amounts are the same.
2. Longer esters provide significantly lower blood plasma levels of the base
hormone even when total milligram amounts are the same.
This is another reason why I prefer underground Labs. You can get virtually any
product from them and in any concentration and ester. Clearly, I prefer short esters
and high concentrations when it comes to steroids because they will always,
milligram for milligram provide higher blood plasma levels of the base hormone and
ergo better results.
The trick is finding a reputable underground Lab, and getting on their customer list.
You’re on your own for that one.
However, if you are inclined to buy Human or Vet grade steroids, I have some tips
for you to help spot counterfeits. This is by no means an all-inclusive list, but rather,
some easy to remember tips for your next round of purchases. Here’s what to look
at:
• Uneven levels of liquid- Take a look at two amps from the same manufacturer
side by side. Is the level of oil in them even? If not, at least one is a fake.
• Weird Labels- Does the Label look shoddy on either the box or the vial/bottle
you are buying? Do you think a multimillion (or billion) dollar company would
produce something that looks like a kid with an I-Mac Label maker made it?
If the Label is weird, then the product is probably fake.
• Uneven Labels- Ever see an uneven Label on a legitimate product of any
kind? From a bottle of Jack Daniels to a bottle of Cola, have you ever seen an
uneven Label on one? No, right? Well the same goes for pharmaceuticals.
• Expiration Dates- These should be stamped onto both the box as well as the
product inside, and not printed in the same ink as the rest of the Label. And
they should match, of course.
• Hologram- Look closely…is it a hologram or a silver sticker? If it’s just a silver
sticker, you have yourself a fake.
• Go with your gut instinct- Is there something dodgy about the store you are
buying your products at? Is the source acting shady? Always walk away.
Incidentally, you may notice that we have neglected to include a bunch of glossy
pictures in the back of this book to help you distinguish real steroids from fakes.
Well, this is because at this stage of the game, the fakes are as good as the real
product. A decent graphic designer with any one of a dozen programs can simply
remove a Label from a legit product, scan it, and begin producing his own counterfeit
products. And they’d be perfect. These days, even home computers with the right
printers and programs can generate watermarks, holograms, and perfect forgeries of
virtually any product. A quick trip to the local office supply store can then provide
you with a stamp to put on the date, and you’re in business as a counterfeit steroid
producer.
frequent. I can tell you that the vast majority (99%) of them produce very little in
the way of worthwhile information, and most have at least one or two UGLabs or
sources on their staff. In most cases, anabolic steroid discussion boards, as well as
the staff on them are very average. If this book is in your hands, there are very few
boards that are going to offer you anything at all over what you are currently
reading. A great many anabolic steroid discussion boards often have a vested
interest, as many of those discussion boards are owned by a dealer or Lab who uses
it to sell their products indiscriminately, or the owner and staff get freebies from a
certain Lab privately and sing that Lab’s praises publicly. This is true of the vast
majority of anabolic steroid discussion boards on the Internet, in one-way or
another. I have been very fortunate to never have been (knowingly at least)
involved with situations like that. If you frequent Internet anabolic steroid discussion
boards, and you ever see a board or staff defend a source tooth and nail, or tell you
a particular Lab is the best thing since Organon…for no reason? The reason is free
product under the table. You can bet on it.
Anyway, if you are still interested in Human/Vet products, and don’t want to buy
fakes, you can also go take a look at the actual sites run by the makers of various
steroids and compare the lot #’s, expiration dates, and pictures to your stash.
Here’s some website addresses to look at:
REMOVED URLs FOR SECURITY REASONS!
That list it by no means exhaustive, but it could save you a few dollars (or Pesos) by
helping you avoid buying fake gear.
Before ending this chapter, I’d like to caution you against going online simply
anywhere to look for pictures of fake vs. real steroids. Most Internet web sites and
bulletin boards allow anyone who registers to post pictures of “real” and “fake”
steroids. Thus, as you can expect, people who sell fake steroids simply register and
post their pictures as “real” steroids, and nobody is the wiser. Caveat Emptor.
Reference:
1. Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects
of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume Charles F. Minto, Christopher Howe, Susan
Wishart, Ann J. Conway and David J. Handelsman
Finally, you can go to sites like **************, which has a forum where
members post pictures of both real and counterfeit steroids. This way, you can
compare what you’ve been popping into your ass cheeks to a real-time picture of
what’s currently available. This can provide you with some insight as to what is real
and what is fake. You need to be careful, however, as to what discussion boards you
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