Peptides

Which peptides do you guys reckon are best value for money concerning gains... To be used between cycles.

ipamorelin or GHRP-6...
I've just realized I've posted on the wrong place. My apologies.

If you're planning on taking it for muscle gains you are wasting your time unless you stack it with a GHRH like CJC1295 w/o dac.

Tooo many people think that peptides are the new secret weapon to getting big...i dont believe there has been enough research and long term studies done on these products..

Hey MA, why do you suggest the CJC w/o dac? its the one with the shorter half life.
Just asking.

AE wrote: Hey MA, why do you suggest the CJC w/o dac? its the one with the shorter half life.
Just asking.

Bud, do some more research. Pretty much every site with info on peptides says why. Main reason being GH bleed.

DJ wrote: Tooo many people think that peptides are the new secret weapon to getting big...i dont believe there has been enough research and long term studies done on these products..

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Yes, you just can't get the sustained high serum GH blood levels that you get from higher dosing of HGH that you need for major muscle gains. They aren't going to make anyone big fast. But you get good value for money considering that you can get the equivalent of around 4IU HGH a day with ipam and CJC1295 w/o dac for half the price that you'd pay for 4IU/day of HGH. So for fat loss, recomp and skin rejuvation etc it's a good alternative.

There definitely needs to be more studies done on these. I know you didn't have any luck when you tried the peptides. How did you dose them and how many times a day?

How many studies have been done on using cjc with actual gh?

Look to be fair I didn't use them for long enough to see any sustained results from them,but I don't think they are the new line in getting big like all these new guys are hoping

DJ wrote: How many studies have been done on using cjc with actual gh?

None that I've heard of or seen. I can't see why doctors would want to combine the 2 since there is no synergy. If you inject CJC when you have high serum GH levels from exogenous HGH it won't do anything because high levels will inhibit any natural GH production via a GHRH.

Valid point bro... didn't actually think about that

i think as long as guys realise the peptides wont have much of an effect on muscle growth in any short term period, or any period in that fact as like DJ says there arnt a huge number of long term studies done, so nothing can be set in stone.

but i do believe they can be used rather well for more of the points MA mentioned like recovery and general wellbeing and fat loss, i myself am rather interested in the healing properties as my shoulder is really getting in the way of progression now,

just gotta give it a try with an open mind, whether sparks fly or nothing happens. only one way to find out i guess :dry:

I'm just too curious to not try it so I'm looking forward to it either way.

haha myself too,

MA would you mind looking at my post in the official peptide thread when your free?

maybe you could assist,

thanks mate

When talking about the healing properties... Would that be muscular or joints aswel?

To my knowledge yes:) the main reason I am given them a try:) got a slight shoulder injury that's been getting in the way for awhile,

I'm sure you all know this but a GHRH is a Growth-hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH), also known as growth-hormone-releasing factor (GRF, GHRF), somatoliberin or somatocrinin. Different GHRH's have different effects. Alone they may not produce much benefit. It is like flipping on a switch, but there has to be a signal.

GHRP's are the peptide signals. Also different ones have different effects. The main difference being side effects. Some increase appetite due to ghrelin stimulation (hormone responsible for wanting to eat). Others effect more of cortisol and prolactin. Some you can become sensitive too and others not.

If you combine a GHRH and GHRP they have a synergistic effect. For the purpose of healing it is a great tool to use. Is it magical with massive muscle gains and fat loss? No it isn't. But can it help you sleep better and heal some minor injuries over time, absolutely!

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Toshiro

For visible (albeit longterm results) = exogenous hGH
- minimum 5iu, it seems that double digit dose for visible results, 10iu+
- Expensive

Fountain of youth = GHRH/GRHP = natural GH release (low volumes)
- much cheaper
- nice if stacking with AS

Due to Negative Feedback Loop. When IGF-1 levels get high, natural GH release stops. Hence the fact that you can take GHRH/GHRP as much as you like, but if IGF-1 levels are high due to exogenous GH (then subsequently high IGF-1) then natural GH is shut down.

I wish I knew my body was releasing natural GH as I belive this can be 4-5 times a day! Of which 50% is during REM, but still.