Banting while on course

Hi Everyone

Im new to the forum and new to the steroid world. I started doing the Banting diet off the back of a hectic festive season. My weight started dropping like mad. I went from 109 to 101kg in 3 weeks. Two weeks ago a bodybuilding friend of mine advised that i attempt a course of Gentropin (seems like a generic of Genotropin) + Anavar and Proviron. However this also meant the diet needed to change to the typical high protein and carb diet with small fats.

What i would like to find out is, what are the risks of taking the above cycle but staying on the typical LCHF (Banting/Keto) type diet

Your bodybuilding friend is clueless. Never have I seen such a waste of money not even at Woolworths.

Which part bud? Please elaborate

You can do a keto diet on cycle... There is no specific diet for steroids. The cycle needs to be looked at again and you haven't given us any info apart from your weight - we will need your height, weight, body fat and age.

Thanks mate,

Height: 187cm
Weight: 102.3kg
BF: 21% as per discovery assessment
Age: 33

4 tabs of 10mg Anavar and 4 tabs of Proviron with 2 x 20iu shots one morning and one at night

You must be loaded to be running 40ius of growth a day.

Gents I really appreciate the feedback but being a total newbee, I really don't know what you mean when you say I must be loaded to be taking 40iu. Is it a good or bad thing?

Imagine the rate your intestines will grow at your GH dosages per day.

Noley B, jy verstaan of fokkol van wat jy se, of jy tos rond op die forum as troll.

Noley B wrote: Gents I really appreciate the feedback but being a total newbee, I really don't know what you mean when you say I must be loaded to be taking 40iu. Is it a good or bad thing?

Human Growth Hormone is super expensive (cannot say more as price talk is not allowed).
Often you will purchase it in 100iu "packs", which will last you 2 and a half day at the dosages you want to take.

If that is what your friend said, I would not take any advice from your friend. Do yourself a favour and do some reading around on the forum, the Articles section at the very top of the forum is FULL of information which will help get you a better, broader understanding of various substances and their effect and looking at the sample cycles should help you get an idea of how they should be used and when.

Oupa i don't understand much afrikaans so....


Thanks for the advise PsyClown. I gotta be honest, he is one of the few well built people i know who has dabbled with steroids and HGH without many side effects. I don't take his advise as gospel and this is the reason i reached out on the forum.
I will use your advise to research more as i don't want this to be unsafe or do more harm than good.

To be honest, your advise was by far the best as it feels like everyone one else wants to shoot down what I've been advised on. I was merely looking for some insight into the course and whether it is correct in the manner it has been prescribed. Without prior use of HGH, how on earth would i know that my intestines would rapidly grow on 40iu per day.

Same as another user telling me that i wasted my money and then not elaborating further. Just my thoughts on the use of a forum. It isnt whats app where one liners are king. Forums are meant to inform those with limited knowledge of the subject better and to be a platform for discussion so one liners and elusive messages don't help the persons cause.

Once again thanks to those who provided better insight in understanding this very complicated venture

Noley B wrote: Oupa i don't understand much afrikaans so....


Thanks for the advise PsyClown. I gotta be honest, he is one of the few well built people i know who has dabbled with steroids and HGH without many side effects. I don't take his advise as gospel and this is the reason i reached out on the forum.
I will use your advise to research more as i don't want this to be unsafe or do more harm than good.

To be honest, your advise was by far the best as it feels like everyone one else wants to shoot down what I've been advised on. I was merely looking for some insight into the course and whether it is correct in the manner it has been prescribed. Without prior use of HGH, how on earth would i know that my intestines would rapidly grow on 40iu per day.

Same as another user telling me that i wasted my money and then not elaborating further. Just my thoughts on the use of a forum. It isn't whats app where one liners are king. Forums are meant to inform those with limited knowledge of the subject better and to be a platform for discussion so one liners and elusive messages don't help the persons cause.

Once again thanks to those who provided better insight in understanding this very complicated venture

I think quite a few members access this forum from their phone, so it isn't always easy to type out long responses. Not to mention that we get quite a few new members who ask the exact same questions without searching the forums before so it gets tiresome replying with the same answers all the time - most new members do not even take the advice given as they have already made up their minds and it is nicer / easier to listen to their friends and try for a "shortcut" or try and save some money or whatever.

With regards to knowing about Growth Hormone gut, if you had done some research you would have stumbled upon such info Taking a look at sample cycles will give you a better idea or how much HGH would generally be used, also if you do a search you will see what dose is recommended to people who have recently had surgery or injured themselves and who look to HGH to assist with faster healing.

Shot bro

I am reading through the articles as we speak. Thanks

The problem is that you haven't done any research yourself so you expect us to spoonfeed you. If you had done your research and asked informed questions we would gladly help you, but a cycle like the one you asked about deserves a one liner.

I know nothing about this and I see this as research not spoon feeding. I'm trying to get insight from people who are knowledged on the topic. If you don't want to spoon feed someone then what's the point of being on the forum. Plus your responses are so elusive. You say the course I'm on deserves a one liner but you don't say why. Is it a kuk course? Is it going to kill me?

I just asked for advise dude.

So after reading through some articles. I'd like to understand how you figure out how much is the right amount of GH to use daily. The article recommends 3 to 6iu per day spread between two injections and it says that a skip day approach is better but that is way more than I have been told as previously mentioned.

I also haven't been advised to use the milk thistle or a PCT and my course is scheduled to run for 4 months

You said you were advised to use 40-45 units GH so how is the 3-6iu dose the site recommends more?

Pyroclasm never said your cycle is kak he said he has never seen such a waste of money. I agree... You don't know what you are dealing with. You don't know what you are doing. If you consider us spoonfeeding you research then you do not have a clue and have a misperception my friend...

You want to learn and you want to do a cycle. So the responsibility lies with you not with us.. Wake up and smell the coffee..
Read the PCT article. Read the steroid cycle basics article...
Like Pyro said show us you are doing some research and come back and ask us if you do not understand anything from your research...

You also did not give us a breakdown of how you are going to use your cycle?
Week 1:HGH 40iu+40mg Anavar
Week 2:?
Week 3:?
PCT...? How many mg us your Proviron? How many times per day and how long?

Nevermind. Sorted thanks

Noley, Anavar is best taken when you have very low body fat % (sub 10% BF) otherwise you won't really notice anything and it is not the cheapest substance either. Proviron, well. Eh.
HGH is very pricey and your friend recommend 40iu, the site recommends 3iu to 6iu a day (iu stands for international unit).
So all in all, a waste of money as it will not really assist you with your goals at the moment.

Often the base of a cycle would be testosterone and generally cycles are not used for cutting as steroids should be for those who are already in good shape and who are healthy as it takes a toll on your system - increases blood pressure, increases bad cholesterol and decreases good cholesterol etc. etc.


With 21% bodyfat you aren't in the best shape ever. Best would be to diet properly and work out in the gym consistently and continue to drop fat and possibly gain a bit of muscle at the same time.
Steroids also aren't for someone who has just started gyming, ideally you would want to reach your natural genetic limits prior to starting steroids but I think very few do.
So you want at least 2 years consistent training in the gym, although even that is frowned upon.

Despite what you might think, the steroid community does not encourage people to take steroids and various other drugs. The members want to make sure that you are in good health, know your body, have put in work and effort at the gym and are not just looking for some shortcut and the members here do not want you to fuck up your body by doing stupid shit.

A lot of the members who have replied here have a lot more knowledge and experience than I do.



It feels as if you are trying to rush into it. I get what you are saying with regards to most forums you just join and ask and people will answer and assist although when dealing with steroids it is a bit different and that is something I have had to learn as well.
I will tell you that this forum is really great and has a ton of information which is far better and significantly more helpful than other international forums. You just need to do things the right way

We like to see that people have put in effort and attempted to understand each compound and how it should be used and to try and put together a complete cycle.

Once again. Thanks for the feedback bud. After doing some research, I noticed that the quality of the GH also has an impact on the dosage. The 4-6 recommended IU's per day is based on the use of pharmaceutical grade GH. I was supplied with Gentropin which seems to be a generic of Genotropin. Could this be the reason my mate said 40iu per day split between two injections l?

Noley B wrote: Once again. Thanks for the feedback bud. After doing some research, I noticed that the quality of the GH also has an impact on the dosage. The 4-6 recommended IU's per day is based on the use of pharmaceutical grade GH. I was supplied with Gentropin which seems to be a generic of Genotropin. Could this be the reason my mate said 40iu per day split between two injections l?

Never heard of Gentropin, although I do not think so...

There was a thread recently where some member was using pharma grade HGH and he was on 2iu's a day I think and was getting symptoms more common when on higher doses such as 4iu's... So pharma grade certainly makes a difference although I do not think such a difference (4iu vs 40iu).

If you're looking for 4iu of Pharma grade, you're probably looking at needing closer to 8iu of generic. 4iu of Pharma grade is pretty high so I would look at using 5-6iu of generics if I were to use it. Not saying that you must, just saying that's what I would do.

Great. Thanks for the help gents. Gonna go with the 6 split between two injections

Gents, I've made a terrible mistake. Turns out my mate only has me on 4iu daily split between two injections.
I was reading the syringe all wrong.

Just thought i would let you know. Not sure about the Anavar and Proviron mix but atleast its good to know that i wasn't taking 40u per day