All the slu-pp 332 products that is dosed in mcg in not worth it imo. I ordered myself a bigger amount to try out after seeing a lot of respected and trusted people in the industry pushing much higher mg doses. For me personally the effect becomes noticeable at 40 to 50mg. At 200mg it's a lot of fun. More than 350mg it's really something else, dropping fat even in a big surplus. Too expensive to try again and there is always a risk due to no human studies.