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Is this normal? Should I have built up slower or am I just sensitive to HGH?
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Please explain.
Give it a shot, you're only TESTing it...
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Mr_SA wrote: But, 00pump... Why after your workout when you will have an insulin spike with your Post Workout Shake? From what i have read here... it needs to be an hour before a meal and an hour before a meal (Inbetween).
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mr_sa u didnt read that advice on the forum,DJ suggested it like that,i am following his routine with gh and it seems to be working
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STUARTF wrote: BigDave, why are you injecting the HGH before bed? Your natural release of HGH is diurnal, meaning twice a day - early mornings and during initial hours of deep sleep.
I take HGH before bed to mimic the natural release of GH. By far the largest secretion of GH is the first few hours of sleep (the morning release is nominal). Which is why the body grows and regenerates during sleep, it's also the best time to burn fat, as you're in a fasting state, there is minimal insulin to oppose the fat buring effects of GH.
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I doubt that during sleep is the best time to burn fat. I think it's quite the opposite as the body's metabolism slows down. Best fat burning would be during exercise.
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wake up at 6:00 am, train at 10:00am(natural gh release post work out) then u go to bed at 9:00pm and then u get a release 45mins into sleep... why not inject first thing in the am where gh would be at its lowest,and then in the mid afternoon 3-4 before u go to bed? that means 3-4 gh releases in one day...much better than 1 single one? logic or not?
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STUARTF wrote: He advises not to administer HGH just before bed due to the body's natural HGH spike during the first hours of sleep. Have a look at the thread I posted - he explains it there.
If you take 2-4+iu's of HGH in the morning, your endogenous release of GH at night will be negligible, as your body would seek to remain homeostasis and not produce any more more GH, due to the massive supra-physiological dose it received earlier in the day. Think about it this way, testosterone is diurnal, it's highest in the morning and late afternoon. If you were to take a large dose of Androxon (oral testosterone with a short half-life) in the morning, do you think you still experience a spike in your natural testosterone, later in the day, probably not. This is why PCT exists, if you replace your natural hormones with outside hormones your body stops producing the natural ones, in order to maintain balance.
Doctari's protocol is excellent, but it is aimed more at using HGH for muscle growth, with it's use of slin. The world's top anti-aging doctors, who specialise in growth hormone replacement, recommend taking HGH before bed, to replicate the circadian rhythm of GH.
I doubt that during sleep is the best time to burn fat. I think it's quite the opposite as the body's metabolism slows down. Best fat burning would be during exercise.
Let me rephase what i said earlier, during sleep is the best time to maximise the fat burning properties of HGH. Although the metabolism is slowed, your still burning calories (over +/- 8 hours), and as HGH directly metabolises fat in the absence of insulin, this is the best time to use it for this purpose.
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BigDave wrote: If you take 2-4+iu's of HGH in the morning, your endogenous release of GH at night will be negligible, as your body would seek to remain homeostasis and not produce any more more GH, due to the massive supra-physiological dose it received earlier in the day. Think about it this way, testosterone is diurnal, it's highest in the morning and late afternoon. If you were to take a large dose of Androxon (oral testosterone with a short half-life) in the morning, do you think you still experience a spike in your natural testosterone, later in the day, probably not. This is why PCT exists, if you replace your natural hormones with outside hormones your body stops producing the natural ones, in order to maintain balance.
But surely if you follow this rationale then it would be exactly the same taking the HGH before bed. In other words if you take HGH before bed the body will seek to remain in homeastasis and decrease or even inhibit the massive natural amount released during sleep. The optimum time to take HGH would therefore be at times of the day when natural HGH levels are at their lowest. This is how I understand it.
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