Hygetropin VS Humatrope

Muscleaddict wrote: You will NOT get site growth from HGH. For that you need IGF1.

Ah of course. Like LR3? Cycled for like 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off??

And MA, what about the question regarding needles to use, can you advise?

DBatDBN wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: You will NOT get site growth from HGH. For that you need IGF1.

Ah of course. Like LR3? Cycled for like 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off??

And MA, what about the question regarding needles to use, can you advise?

Yea. Most of the effects of HGH that you see, and the growth of new muscle cells are caused by IGF-1. HGH causes a massive increase in IGF-1 production in your liver, so the HGH must first travel from the injection site to your liver, and then the IGF-1 hits your bloodstream before it goes looking for receptors to stimulate growth. Simple explanation .

Stick with slin pins.

Thank you MA.

So when I do include some IGF-1 I could go for site growth and then obviously have to use the standard syringes.

But even with GH, I believe that with IM pins it does get working quicker. Is this perhaps insignificant?

There is no benefit to the quicker absorption of IM shots. You get a bigger peak plasma concentration for a very short period which also increases your risk of sides like carpal tunnel symptoms.

Sub q gives a slower more constant release with less of a spike which is better.

Muscleaddict wrote: There is no benefit to the quicker absorption of IM shots. You get a bigger peak plasma concentration for a very short period which also increases your risk of sides like carpal tunnel symptoms.

Sub q gives a slower more constant release with less of a spike which is better.

Great, thanks a lot.
Slin pin way quicker/easier. I can never get used to that feeling of a needle piercing the muscle, don't dig it at all.

Muscleaddict wrote:

DBatDBN wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: You will NOT get site growth from HGH. For that you need IGF1.

Ah of course. Like LR3? Cycled for like 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off??

And MA, what about the question regarding needles to use, can you advise?

Yea. Most of the effects of HGH that you see, and the growth of new muscle cells are caused by IGF-1. HGH causes a massive increase in IGF-1 production in your liver, so the HGH must first travel from the injection site to your liver, and then the IGF-1 hits your bloodstream before it goes looking for receptors to stimulate growth. Simple explanation .

Stick with slin pins.

I must disagree with this, igf is also released from the muscle site, hence Im shots from Gh can give Localised growth, my deltas and biceps are proof I inject all my Gh there andvsince I did i experienced massive growth in those specific places.

Im is also superior IMO as after sub q the half life is 3.8hrs and Im 4.9, after sub q baseline hormone levels are reached after 12 hours after Im 18 hours. Gh is also anabolic to muscle tissue causing hyperplasia and hypertrophy at the muscle site Injected.

This info is based on William llewellyns research.

Thanks Koe. That's interesting. I've been wondering about that but didn't think the amounts of igf released in muscle would be significant enough for local growth since most igf1 is made in the liver. There seems to be alot of people claiming yes and no, but if it's working for you then I definitely will leave the final word with you on this considering your experience with gh.

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks Koe. That's interesting. I've been wondering about that but didn't think the amounts of igf released in muscle would be significant enough for local growth since most igf1 is made in the liver. There seems to be alot of people claiming yes and no, but if it's working for you then I definitely will leave the final word with you on this considering your experience with gh.

Every little bit of tweaks helps with adding another brick to the foundation, I find it harder to pick up quality size so small changes like im and in diet and cycles add up in the end. There are so many differing opinions, I always try for myself and find what suits me best, we are all different so naturally our responses and receptors will be to.

Koe007 wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks Koe. That's interesting. I've been wondering about that but didn't think the amounts of igf released in muscle would be significant enough for local growth since most igf1 is made in the liver. There seems to be alot of people claiming yes and no, but if it's working for you then I definitely will leave the final word with you on this considering your experience with gh.

Every little bit of tweaks helps with adding another brick to the foundation, I find it harder to pick up quality size so small changes like im and in diet and cycles add up in the end. There are so many differing opinions, I always try for myself and find what suits me best, we are all different so naturally our responses and receptors will be to.

Thank you Koe. This brings us back to the original question.
What needles/syringes for IM? I'm hoping I can still use insulin needles and maybe just jam them in as deep as possible?!?! :lol:

And as for timing, if I can recall, I would pin the site straight after training that muscle.
This leads to another question (sorry :blush: ), but using GH straight after training, what about my Post-workout fix??
In my case Cell-Tech (VERY HIGH insulin spike), followed by High Protein/High Carb Shake.

DBatDBN wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks Koe. That's interesting. I've been wondering about that but didn't think the amounts of igf released in muscle would be significant enough for local growth since most igf1 is made in the liver. There seems to be alot of people claiming yes and no, but if it's working for you then I definitely will leave the final word with you on this considering your experience with gh.

Every little bit of tweaks helps with adding another brick to the foundation, I find it harder to pick up quality size so small changes like im and in diet and cycles add up in the end. There are so many differing opinions, I always try for myself and find what suits me best, we are all different so naturally our responses and receptors will be to.

Thank you Koe. This brings us back to the original question.
What needles/syringes for IM? I'm hoping I can still use insulin needles and maybe just jam them in as deep as possible?!?! :lol:

And as for timing, if I can recall, I would pin the site straight after training that muscle.
This leads to another question (sorry :blush: ), but using GH straight after training, what about my Post-workout fix??
In my case Cell-Tech (VERY HIGH insulin spike), followed by High Protein/High Carb Shake.

Muscle addict answered you correctly in saying insulin needles are fine.
Dont inject gh post workout rather prebed or first thing in the morning post workout you have natural gh released, also prebed but in comparison to exogenous administration it's minimal. Doc recommended morning afternoon then GABA prebed which is also great

Ok so I use the insulin needles, meaning I shouldn't bother with site injections? (e.g. calves....)

Thank you SOOO much for your help guys.
Tomorrow is my last shot of Test, it's bitter sweet, no more Test no more injection

DBatDBN wrote: Ok so I use the insulin needles, meaning I shouldn't bother with site injections? (e.g. calves....)

Thank you SOOO much for your help guys.
Tomorrow is my last shot of Test, it's bitter sweet, no more Test no more injection

Site injections in calves are fine with a slin needle using GH

Koe, aren't you also in Durban? (and DJ)

Any particular spot in the calf? (Only ever pinned Sub-q or Glute)
Do I still aspirate? (missing veins etc.)

DBatDBN wrote: Koe, aren't you also in Durban? (and DJ)

Any particular spot in the calf? (Only ever pinned Sub-q or Glute)
Do I still aspirate? (missing veins etc.)

Was there for the long weekend with Dj on a few occasions to train and visit. I'm back home now though.
Outer and inner head, yes aspirate. 25mcg/head that's 100mcg per shot on both calves.

Koe007 wrote:

DBatDBN wrote: Koe, aren't you also in Durban? (and DJ)

Any particular spot in the calf? (Only ever pinned Sub-q or Glute)
Do I still aspirate? (missing veins etc.)

Was there for the long weekend with Dj on a few occasions to train and visit. I'm back home now though.
Outer and inner head, yes aspirate. 25mcg/head that's 100mcg per shot on both calves.

Thanks Koe.
You've thrown me another curve-ball! mcg?? I reconstituted the Hyge GH 10iu vile with 1ml water (bacteriostatic). So using a slin pin (100units=1ml) doing 25units x 2 p.d = 2.5iu x 2 p.d.
ml is volume, mcg is mass. How do I now convert?

DBatDBN wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

DBatDBN wrote: Koe, aren't you also in Durban? (and DJ)

Any particular spot in the calf? (Only ever pinned Sub-q or Glute)
Do I still aspirate? (missing veins etc.)

Was there for the long weekend with Dj on a few occasions to train and visit. I'm back home now though.
Outer and inner head, yes aspirate. 25mcg/head that's 100mcg per shot on both calves.

Thanks Koe.
You've thrown me another curve-ball! mcg?? I reconstituted the Hyge GH 10iu vile with 1ml water (bacteriostatic). So using a slin pin (100units=1ml) doing 25units x 2 p.d = 2.5iu x 2 p.d.
ml is volume, mcg is mass. How do I now convert?

25iu is 25mcg with that mixing

HYGE all the way. Love it with a bit of anavar yup
swollen ankles pins and needles sleeping like a baby etc. Not everyone gets all sides you should get one of them if you using legit gh.

Koe007 wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks Koe. That's interesting. I've been wondering about that but didn't think the amounts of igf released in muscle would be significant enough for local growth since most igf1 is made in the liver. There seems to be alot of people claiming yes and no, but if it's working for you then I definitely will leave the final word with you on this considering your experience with gh.

Every little bit of tweaks helps with adding another brick to the foundation, I find it harder to pick up quality size so small changes like im and in diet and cycles add up in the end. There are so many differing opinions, I always try for myself and find what suits me best, we are all different so naturally our responses and receptors will be to.

When you say IM into the bicep, do you inject the same place in the bicep or different spots, anyway you can post up some pics of a pin and where it should go.. I've very reluctant to inject my biceps, my triceps on the other hand I have done since I started using juice and I felt more comfortable than going to into my glute.

Also this is done after a session, or does it really not matter?

Pull your bicep to a peak find the middle of the peak straighten your arm relax and inject where you found the middle of the peak was.
With GH it wont make much difference if you inject it into the muscle it only changes the absorption time a little.
With IGF 1 LR3 you will do site jabs for site growth.