William Llewellyn Pct

Hi guys,i would like someone to help me out with the following.I recently bought me William Llewellyn"s
Anabolics 10th Edition.The only thing i do not understand is his PCT recomondation which starts with HCG at 2000iu EOD for 20 days,Clomid 50mg twice per day for 30 days and Nolvadex 20mg twice per day for 45 days.the problem is that you should start on the same day with all them.Im quite new to this and would like to sharpen my knowlege before starting with the gear.Can anyone help me with this ,Please

That 'pct' is far from a pct.

Look at the site smaple cycles and you will get en idea of a proper pct protocal. Also can you post up the cycle the pct your're working is for ?

Thanks bud for clearing the out.i"m thinking of using Test Cyp for 8 weeks at 500mg per week and dbols at 30mg for 4 weeks.should i ignore all of the info from the book?

why only 8 weeks?

That PCT was designed by Dr Scally who treats hypogonadism for a living. It definitely works, but that amount of HCG is overkill. That PCT was used in a clinical study to test the recovery of 19 men who were on deca and testosterone. It's claimed that all men had recovered normal hormonal function after PCT. It is mentioned in the Anabolics book.

For what it's worth though, blood tests can be deceiving because if the men were tested after 45 days into PCT like the literature says, then the blood test results would be bogus. After 100mg/day clomid a day for 30 days the clomid is still present and active in your system for over a month after you stop taking it, artificially boosting your LH levels. Similar story with tamoxifen which would have been taken right up to the blood tests.

Thank you MA.. I was raging before I read your post.. not a proper PCT.. pffffffttt.. man does it for a living. I love this forum to bits and have for years.. but people need to acknowledge there are more ways of using things than what our forum states. Commence flaming.

CHAPEL wrote: Thank you MA.. I was raging before I read your post.. not a proper PCT.. pffffffttt.. man does it for a living. I love this forum to bits and have for years.. but people need to acknowledge there are more ways of using things than what our forum states. Commence flaming.

100% agree with you mate. As mentioned before, this forum is one of the best on the net and some of the members here, particularly guys like muscleaddict, are among the most knowledgeable guys I have ever had the privilege to have encountered. That said, the current knowledge of correct aas cycling, the use of ancilaries and pct, are continuously evolving for the better and this has often come as a result of people questioning what others have accepted as the gospel truth.

I mentioned this in a previous post, that my pct for example differs slight from the one set out on this forum as I incorporate the use of HCG from the first week of my cycle as opposed to using higher quantities of the peptide in the run-up to my pct. And based on the various studies I have read, I definitely believe, at least for myself, that this is a more effective way of incorporating HCG into a cycle.

[strike]Don't you perhaps mean the last week of your cycle, GSP?[/strike]

Nevermind. I reread your post. Some of the sample cycles here also include HCG during cycle. I also think there's an argument to run ovidrel at the end of the cycle rather than during PCT, perhaps because Doctari's protocal was designed as a standalone fertility treatment instead of solely for PCT.

Eidolon wrote: Don't you perhaps mean the last week of your cycle, GSP?

sorry mate

No, I use HCG from week one at around 500iu to 1000iu depending on what cycle I am on. the reason for this being is that I dont want to prevent testicular atrophy, and the associated reduction in test-producing leydig cells, when introducing exogenous testesterone into my body. As HCG mimics LH, which is the main hormone responsible for signalling the testes into producing testesterone, the introduction of the peptide ensures that my testes never stop functioing normally, thus negating any possibility of a reduction in leydig cells.

Yup GSP. I edited my response after I read your post properly.

Like I mentioned in my edit, several of the harsher sample cycles here include HCG prior to PCT.

This would be my first cycle thats why i want to start off with 8 weeks,what do you recommend.

Nivek wrote: This would be my first cycle thats why i want to start off with 8 weeks,what do you recommend.

8 weeks is very short for a test cyp cycle. It only reaches full effect after 6/7 weeks. Rather extend to 10 weeks.

Thanks guys for all the info,i"ll run it for 10weeks and use Doc"s PCT.