Waiting period between last pin and start of PCT

Hi Guys,

Just want to check on something....

In the Post Cycle Therapy article on this website,it states that the waiting period between your last pin and the start of PCT,for Testocyp 250,is 3 x 12 = 36 days.

Yet if you look at the sample for Beginners Bulking Cycle on this website,the waiting period between your last Testocyp 250 pin and PCT is 29 days.

Am I missing something here????

3 times half life = 12 days by 3 = 36 days ...29 or 30 for test E....

hi guys
has anyone experienced any muscle loss during this wait while the ester is clearing. obviously we want pct to be effective so the correct start time is very important. i will be finishing off a sust and deca cycle and have run the sust two weeks past the deca to avoid the obvious deca sides. according to a pct calculator that was introduced here some time ago, i should wait 20 days after my last shot to start pct. the calculator takes into consideration dosages and shows how it clears every day. according to best practice here it suggests wait 54 days after last shot. are the doses one used on cycle not important as to how long we wait or is it a one size fits all of 3 x half life.

last question. how does one optimize this waiting period to stay anabolic. im thinking of 100mg of prop eod but just concerned of the post injection pain.

thanks

The size loss is mostly water and glycogen loss. If you start your PCT too soon your are wasting your PCT. With a deca cycle you should always bridge to PCT with prop or orals to stay anabolic. It's a long wait. Deca is way more suppressive than testosterone on your hpta, and serum blood levels need to be extremely low for SERMs to be optimally effective. I would wait even longer than 54 days, but what I do is switch to NPP instead of deca for the last 4 weeks or so. If you are doing 2ml of PGW deca a week and start PCT after 54 days you will still be shut down. You should ideally wait a half life period longer before PCT with 19 nors.

Oh and welcome back . Haven't seen you around for quite a while.

thanks bro

so MA would you recommend 100mg prop eod after i complete the sust (running it 2 weeks after last deca shot) and can i do 50 mg winny (orals) while i wait for pct. just wondering if that wont hit my liver too hard running orals for that long

How much deca per week have you been using?

100mg prop EOD is fine. Winny is not necessary but go ahead if you want to but I recommend keeping winny to 4 or 5 weeks unless you run it at a lower dose. Stop the prop 2 weeks before PCT.

500mg sust (1-14)
200mg deca (1-12)
50 mg dbol (1-3)
1000mcg of igf lr3 somewhere in the middle there

am on week 13

Ah you're on a low dose of deca so that's not as issue. I would wait 5 weeks after the last sust shot before starting clomid.

shot bud. so how come not 54 days as the articles suggest for sust. not that i dont trust your advice. just for my own knowledge

shot bud. so how come not 54 days as the articles suggest for sust. not that i dont trust your advice. just for my own knowledge

The half-life of the longest ester in sust, test decanoate, is 18 days but there's only 100mg in a 250mg shot. 54 days is calculated as if you were injecting only test decanoate. If you were using more sust then you would ideally wait longer before PCT but for 500mg/week 5 weeks is fine.

as always - perfect sense

Curve ball. Is it better to start testing blood Testosterone levels when approaching end of bridge period?
So as to time starting PCT at optimal time.

That would be ideal, but that also wouldn't help if you've been using other long ester injectable steroids since you can't test for them and you'll still have to guess how much is left in your system.

Muscleaddict wrote: That would be ideal, but that also wouldn't help if you've been using other long ester injectable steroids since you can't test for them and you'll still have to guess how much is left in your system.

But is it safe to assume that if your Test levels have dropped to close to 400ng/dL even the residual AAS are no longer effecting the increase in blood Test and therefore can safely/optimally start with PCT

No. If you have 100mg of deca or tren in your system still your PCT will be ineffective as they are extremely suppressive no matter what your test levels are.

An oral methyl version of nandrolone was found to be 12x more suppressive on the pituitary/hypothalamus than testosterone mg for mg. Just to give you an idea of what I mean.