Test E + Tbol PCT Help!

Hey all, I hope everyone is doing great.

I am 8 weeks into my 11 week cycle and just have a question with regards to what PCT I should use.

But first my stats are as follows:

Age: 26
Weight: 77kg
Height: 5.11/ 177cm
Body fat: roughly 12%
Years training: 3 1/2 years

So I got my hands on some Oraltec Tbol and Bayer Schering Testoviron 250 (Test E). is my 1st official course as I have run Tbol alone in the past and really enjoyed it.


My cycle is as follows:

Week 1: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 40mg ed
week 2: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 50mg ed
Week 3: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 60mg ed
Week 4: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 5: Testoviron 250/ Tbol 70mg ed
Week 6-11: Testoviron 250

My supplier is a great guy and has advised me to take Clomid, Tamoxifen and Pregnyl.
He says I should run it "Pregnyl 3 shots. every 2nd day. You take Tamoxifen with pregnyl to block estorgen as preg is very estrogenic. Wait 7 days then take clomid @ 100mg first 2days then 50mg a day.

Now my question is:

1. What is the best way to dose my PCT and how to run it best?
2. Would this be considered a good/necessary PCT for a mild course that I have been on?

Appreciate all your feedback as I am relatively new to forums but glad to be taking part and learning plenty from the pro's.

Look at the pct article it lays it all out for you. You should be doing Pct 2 for that cycle

Thanks Rhino.

So I take HCG (Pregnyl) is definitely a must?

Ye HCG speeds up recovery and gets your BOYS working again. Face it your body hasn't been producing test for a good while so anything that'll give you a jump start is a must.

I forgot to mention I was dosing the Test E at 250mg per week so basically one shot a week.

I am not sure if this will alter my PCT in anyway?

My reason for the low dose was to test the waters and see how I reacted to cycle.

In short, I am loving it and will definitely be increasing to 500mg for my next cycle in the coming months.

Anymore help and advice would be highly appreciated guys .

Start my pct in a few weeks and I want to be on point.

Looks good to me. How you feeling?

Feeling great man

But will defiantly be bumping up to test e 500mg for my next course later this year.

So apparently I should be following PCT 2 from Doctari's guide, is this correct?

Yeh PCT 2 is good bro.
Remember to take off enough time between cycles bro or you just gonna cause unnecessary damage.
Cycle + Bridge + PCT = time off before next cycle

Nate thanks so much bud.

Can I ask to quick questions though?

1. Is Doctari's PCT very Effective? (only asking from guys who have tested it and can vouch for it. Am not doubting in anyway at all, just curious to know)

2. I have a Synthesis HCG 5000 vial and it came with (what looks like)a 2ml vial of water. How do I go ahead mixing it to get 500ui for EOD shot as i know i would need to make 10 shots in total?

tyronegmc wrote: Nate thanks so much bud.

Can I ask to quick questions though?

1. Is Doctari's PCT very Effective? (only asking from guys who have tested it and can vouch for it. Am not doubting in anyway at all, just curious to know) Yes

2. I have a Synthesis HCG 5000 vial and it came with (what looks like)a 2ml vial of water. How do I go ahead mixing it to get 500ui for EOD shot as i know i would need to make 10 shots in total? Read the post from CycloTrpTyr below

CycloTrpTyr wrote:


1 vial of Pregnyl contains 5000 International Units (IU) of HCG.

You add 1ml of water to enable the stuff to be injected.

Therefore you have 5000IU of HCG per 1ml of water.

Are you still with me.

if there is 5000IU/1ml, then it follows that
there is: 2500IU/0.5ml (divide both sides by 2)
1000IU/0.2ml (divide both sides by 5)
500IU/0.1ml (divide both sides by 10)

Does this make sense? If you have 5000IU per ml then you also have 500IU per 0.1ml
You want 250IU twice a week which is 500IU per week.

Therefore you want to inject 0.1ml per week in total. (500IU per 0.1ml)

Now forget units.

You split this up in two as you inject twice per week. Thus you have 0.1ml divided by 2 which gives you 0.05ml

Therefore you have to inject 0.05ml twice a week.

On an insulin syringe the volume (ml is designated as units. i.e. 1 Unit = 0.01ml. 10 Units = 0.1ml etc)

Therefore 0.05ml = 5 Units.

Ok great thanks I think I can work that out and get it together.

I see it is stated to use 1ml of water and to inject once per week, but according to Doctari we should use 2ml of water and inject every second day as opposed to 1 x per week as according to CycloTrpTyr.

Please excuse my confusion.

"Liquid-Pharma HCG 5000 comes in one unit vial, multi-dosed, at 5000IU. The vial is accompanied by 2ml sterile water for mixing. This is what should be done. Draw up the 2ml ampule provided with the HCG and mix it into the powdered bottle. The HCG is now used from day 8 onwards as 20IU's drawn into insulin needle once per day. It is then used one day on, one day off. "

If you use 2ml water, inject 10 units.

Remember the vial is vacuumed. So withdraw 2ml air into a syringe and then let the vial slowly suck the air into the vial. HOLD ONTO THE PLUNGER so the vial can suck in the air and balance out.

Then inject the water once this is done.

I totally understand your confusion bro. It was difficult for me to understand that too.
Listen to Oupa and the other guys on here. They will make a huge difference to you.

And keep us updated bro. We all part of the same family here. There is no such thing as a stupid question.

Nate