Gyno / PCT help

Hi guys been a while since I posted but basically I'm in a bit of trouble here and really would appreciate some advice. And at the same time I realize most of it is self inflicted and know what an idiot I was.

I recently have run a very long cycle consisting of the following

test prop 20 weeks 300mg a week
test e 20 week 400mg a week
tren ace 10 weeks 350mg a week then tren e 400mg a week for a further 10 weeks
EQ 10 weeks at 500mg a week
superdrol 40mg for 3 week for the last 3 weeks
took cabaser .5mg once per week (should of upped this)
letro 6 drops eod
hcg 250iu x2 per week

currently running test prop at 350mg per week.

basically I wanted to end the cycle after 20 weeks then commence pct protocol 3. I made the mistake of not having cabaser for my last 2 shots of tren (so the last week) and then stopping all steroids for 2 weeks and not bridging with anything until pct. The tren clearly shut me down hard and after 2 weeks of stopping everything I could not get any sort of erection and my libido was dead - this freaked me out and caused me to decide to start the test prop at 350mg per week as a bridge to wait until all the tren and long esters have cleared from system so I could start pct 3. However I having some gyno issues firstly my nipples have become puffy and when I squeeze hard on them yellow/clear and sometimes brown discharge comes out in smallish amounts. Secondly whilst I can sort of gain an erection it is still very weak and hard to maintain. I also realize I may have developed full blown gyno and will have to go for surgery.

Guys I know I fucked up, I know I sound like an idiot but I would really appreciate any advice. I'm disappointed with myself that it had to come this far for me to learn my lesson. So to summarize I would
really, really appreciate some advice on the following :

1. nipple discharge of clear/brown/yellow fluid
2. puffyness of the nipple (probably will have to go for surgery)
3. low libido and weak erections (balls are shrunk and tiny)
4. PCT 3 advice , any modifications - run it longer? also I would be swapping ovridrel with HCG AT 500IU
eod?
5. continue cruising on test prop as bridge until pct 3 and long ester test/tren/eq have cleared?

Once again I apologize again in advice for post and my many fuck ups, I really would just like to get myself sorted and would appreciate some advice. Thank you in advance guys for any and all assistance.

To add some further information / advice needed:

what is the nipple discharge from - high estrogen or prolactin - cabaser or letro/nolvadex help?
would running HCG now (and at what dose ) be advisable to help with the low libido/erections/shrunk balls and would it be affected/ interfere with me taking cabaser/letro/nolvadex (or all 3 ) for the above issue.

My 'plan' is to basically bridge with test prop for about another 5 weeks until the long esters clear (I really want this PCT to work) then administer an extended PCT 3 (swapping HCG for ovridrel at 500iu EOD). Just in this bridging period I'm uncertain what to do about the nipple discharge and penis issues and possible dealing with the puffy nipples / gyno (I realize surgery is the only real option for full blown gyno)

Again I realize how stupid I have been and would appreciate any all assistance. Lastly I am located in Durban and would also appreciate some advice on gyno surgery/ surgeons (I've read most/all of 00pumps thread and other similar posts)

You might have gyno but by the sound of it it's still new and worth fighting for before giving up and going for surgery. Climb on a high dose of Letrozole asap and fight back! I can tell you already you are gonna feel like shit but you need to fight. Also because your estrogen will be close to zero your prolactin levels will decrease a lot. Best of luck mate! I like your attitude and it takes cahones to admit you were "an idiot".

Thank you so much Pyroclasm I understand it must be frustrating to get yet another noob 'I don't know what to do post' - I've been researching as much as I can because I realize 'I'm an idiot and fucked up' and I just want to get myself sorted.

Ok as for the letro I'll start with 1ml ED and increase it to 2.5ml ED over the course of a week and maintain that dose until (hopefully its sorted/I'm able to start pct 3)- I'm just concerned that its not estrogen issue im having rather the prolactin from tren so would throwing in cabaser (.5mg with the letro be okay (I'm not sure if the letro will deal with the prolactin enough?). Also would it be better to bridge until I can pct with winstrol orals only instead of prop (test may cause estrogen issues?). and as for the libido/erection issues HCG? - Or hope pct sorts it out?

So as far as my limited knowledge goes to 'unfuck myself' :
-prop 350MG/week (or winnie 40mg ED) for approximately another 4.5 weeks until tren/other esters clear
-letro at 1mg-2.5mg ED for 4.5 weeks
-cabaser at .5mg EO3D (Twice a week)
-HCG at 500iu twice a week to help with my testes/ libido ?

then after 4.5 weeks PCT 3 (extending it for an extra 2 weeks)
- swapping ovridrel for HCG at 500iu EOD

Thank you again for any and all help, I really do appreciate it! I'm stressing out here and just annoyed at my stupidity.

Don't stress bud we gonna get you through this! Letro 1mg ED is perfect no more and get some Aromasin for later when you taper off. Something that Pump is wants to get across is that too low estrogen levels also cause gyno so be careful with the Letro. Unfortunately Letro at that dosage is gonna mess up your sex drive, fuck your joints on the kitchen table, and lots of other nasty things, but on the good side it will take Prolactin down too (leave the cabasser). You are gonna suffer so take my advice and get a Benzodiazepine for if it gets too rough to calm you and make you feel human again. Leave the Winstrol and do the rest as suggested. Don't use Aromasin in your PCT we will use it later as said above.

Oh yeah and leave the HCG on cycle and run during PCT.

ah Thanx again Pyro, I'm already feeling a lot better - I understand no one is obligated to take the time out of their day to help my sorry ass - so I really do appreciate it!

So just to confirm I should be doing the following:

- Letro 1mg ED for 4.5 weeks (+get some benzodiazepine , over the counter ?)
- continue with prop 350mg/week for 4.5 weeks
-run hcg at 500iu x2/week until PCT (or leave on cycle as in don't use it? sorry I'm probably overthinking it- I just thought HCG would make the pct more effective and help my testes out)

Wait 2 weeks after last prop injection after 4.5 weeks of it (no bridge oral AAS during the 2 weeks?) and start pct 3
- Also No aromasin in my pct?

so my PCT would be :
- clomid 50mgx2 for 7 days
- hcg at 500iu EOD for 45 days & Nolvadex at 20mg ED for 45 days

Thanx again Pyro really saving my ass here

Happy to help my dude. Leave the HCG out of your cycle and only use during PCT. No Aromasin in your PCT. You have a good PCT and I will add a suggestion here because your cycle was so long and suppressive- run as planned except run Clomid for 15 days @50mg ED and Nolvadex @20mg ED, then afterwards another 2 months Clomid @50MG ED and 1month Nolvadex @20mg ED. Like this:

Run Letro @1mg ED until the lump has disappeared. Closer to the time we can chat about tapering off of the Letro.

PCT
Day 1-15: Clomid @50mg ED
Day 16-45: Nolva @20mg ED
Day 46-105: Clomid @50mg ED
Day 106-136: Nolva @20mg ED
Day 1-136: HCG: 500iu per week, split into two shots.

Thank you so much Pyro for laying it out like that for me : A few further questions just to help educate myself.

- Why no Aromasin in the pct ? (in case estrogen gets too low?)
-also during pct if I get any estrogen or gyno issues what should I use?
- lastly is 500iu per week of HCG enough, I thought EOD 500iu was necessary as ovridrel is much more potent and to have similar effect more HCG is required?

Apologies for all the questions Pyro I just want to be over-prepared rather than under-prepared (like last time ) Thanx again!

QuinnX wrote: Thank you so much Pyro for laying it out like that for me : A few further questions just to help educate myself.

- Why no Aromasin in the pct ? (in case estrogen gets too low?)
Yes
-also during pct if I get any estrogen or gyno issues what should I use?
You will have low estrogen issues see above. You won't have gyno symptoms but if you do then we up the dosage of Letro.
- lastly is 500iu per week of HCG enough, I thought EOD 500iu was necessary as ovridrel is much more potent and to have similar effect more HCG is required?
That is not true. HCG and Ovidrel are equally effective in every way

Apologies for all the questions Pyro I just want to be over-prepared rather than under-prepared (like last time ) Thanx again!

^^^ See comments in red. If you have more questions then ask.

ah Thanx Pyro you're awesome. So hopefully after 4.5 weeks of letro 1mg ED the gyno will be sorted but if during PCT there are any gyno issues then start with letro at 1mg ED again?

Also I thought that aromasin would be better for gyno issues during pct because it works well with nolva? - read that in another post somewhere here.

During the short bridging period between last prop injection and the pct what should I be taking / doing?

Lastly I know this is pretty impossible to answer as you can't predict how my body is going to react but when can I hopefully expect my libido/erection issues to start improving - I only ask this because I recently starting seeing someone (what great timing :lol: ) and I will be picking up some little blue pills then, just really dislike having to rely on them

Thanx again, can't say it enough man!

QuinnX wrote: ah Thanx Pyro you're awesome. So hopefully after 4.5 weeks of letro 1mg ED the gyno will be sorted but if during PCT there are any gyno issues then start with letro at 1mg ED again?

Your gyno won't be gone after 4.5 weeks. Depending on the size of the lump it could take 6 months.

Also I thought that aromasin would be better for gyno issues during pct because it works well with nolva? - read that in another post somewhere here.

Aromasin has no effect on an existing lump, it can only prevent one. Only Letro can affect a lump.

During the short bridging period between last prop injection and the pct what should I be taking / doing?

Winstrol 30mg ED

Lastly I know this is pretty impossible to answer as you can't predict how my body is going to react but when can I hopefully expect my libido/erection issues to start improving - I only ask this because I recently starting seeing someone (what great timing :lol: ) and I will be picking up some little blue pills then, just really dislike having to rely on them

Anybody fighting a lump who doesn't feel like shit is not doing it correctly. Like I said it might take a while so just take it one day at a time.

Thanx again, can't say it enough man!

Pleasure bud, but rather thank me when the lump is gone. For all you know I am just talking a ball of dung.

Just know the letro will cripple you. You may not even be able to stand after a few weeks due to you joints dry as can be, and you knees ache and you want to sit. Also your chances of getting flue after flue is common too. Good luck..

Okay thanx guys so basically I'll be on Letro at 1mg ED for possibly 6 months or more, through my PCT and everything?

Also just wondering as to why I should only start the HCG during the PCT and not now - with the bridging it's 6.5 weeks with no HCG?

And thanx 00Pump I'm sure 1mg ED is enough but is there a possibility I'll have to up the dose/ how will I know if I have to?
- also will the Letro help with the general puffy nipples and the yellow/brown discharge I get?
-went to the GP for whatever good that was going to be and was told the lumps are very small but the breast tissue is 'active' , hence the discharge - how would I stop that?

Also for the possible flue - multivitamin and vitamin C and the dry joints - lots of water (well that's normal) and taurine/ potassium pills?


And I'm sure Pyros recommendation for my PCT is great but could I get a second opinion from you 00pump on my proposed pct?

Again thank you for all the help guys, even if it hasn't worked yet I still appreciate it .

The hCG will aggravate your current condition. Second, STOP TOUCHING YOUR NIPPLES....

Ah I see , just trying to educate myself - appreciate it. And yes I've left them alone and they've slightly improved. Won't be touching them again! Just hope the letro will help with whatever fluid/discharge is there.

Thoughts on the pct / letro for up to 6 months (plus?) ?

Thanx again.