PCT for test-ent/deca/anabol cycle

Netro
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23 Sep 2009 11:42 #23672 by Netro

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50mg ED ??????
That's a little rough bud, best you re-think before delivering advice like that.

Also, winny comes in oral form as well .... just like Var .... which, by the way, is also found in injectable form.

Why would you take injectable over oral in the last part of your cycle?

IMO, a bulk is a bulk. Adding cutting compounds is tilting the playing field.

It is not what car you drive, but the size of the arm hanging out the window.

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Mr Moose
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23 Sep 2009 13:38 #23679 by Mr Moose

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Yes 50mg everyday for the last two weeks your not going to see much effect unless you are getting 40mg +- per day for that time: 1 chap I work with refuses to use the orals due to how toxic they are, and has gotten the results in his last 2 cycles at 60mg per day for the last 2 weeks:
And note I said orals are definitely a better option, especially in this case, over the injections don't know many people who can deal with the pain and frequency especially if you are planning on getting results (hardening up) in a mere 2 weeks.
Agreed on your comment about the bulk but VAR in the last few weeks works wonders neglegent.
Peace

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Netro
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23 Sep 2009 14:17 #23685 by Netro

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LOL, bud, what is the difference in active between injectable and oral? Nothing, just as bad!

Looking at the low doses being taken and then D-Bol for 8 weeks and hit the winny?
Sorry bud, I don't agree at all.

I also cannot see the benefit of Var for a few weeks .... it takes 21 days to reach peak concentration to be any good. So, if you run var you would be running orals for all 8 weeks.

D-Bol should be a front load, 4 weeks max.
Winny in the back is a good idea, but since you already running a toxic oral in the front, I would not advise the winny at the back.
Also, 8 weeks is bare minimum for the injectables used and cortisol levels should still be low, low enough not to take winny. IF you taking it to drop water, well I would go proviron and not have to contend with toxicity and joint issues, as well as hair loss and prostate enlargement.

Personally, the cycle is good without either considering the dude is a novice.

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Mr Moose
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23 Sep 2009 18:35 #23703 by Mr Moose

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Netro with all due respect: Please would you go back and read my advice where I said- FRONT LOAD D-BOL FOR 3 WEEKS??? where does this 8 come from.
Secondly if you inject winnie you miss the first pass through the liver ie- less toxic on your liver:
Thridly I never advised the winnie injectable, he had it, he asked if he could throw it in and if it would get the job done and the answer is yes.
And as far as the Var is concerned final 3 weeks at 60mg per day +- will definitely help harden you up:
I don't just pull this info out a reetard hat its from feedback from colleagues, clients and personal experience.
Yugen look around if you wish to double check:
Peace out

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Empire
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23 Sep 2009 18:38 #23705 by Empire

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Mr Moose wrote:

I don't just pull this info out a reetard hat

fuck sakes,ok who told u who i source my info from???? huh huh?

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Cirus
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23 Sep 2009 21:53 #23714 by Cirus

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What is the optimal active dose(mg) in the blood for Deca when no other compounds are used?

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Netro
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24 Sep 2009 07:50 #23717 by Netro

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Mr Moose wrote:

Netro with all due respect: Please would you go back and read my advice where I said- FRONT LOAD D-BOL FOR 3 WEEKS??? where does this 8 come from.
Secondly if you inject winnie you miss the first pass through the liver ie- less toxic on your liver:
Thridly I never advised the winnie injectable, he had it, he asked if he could throw it in and if it would get the job done and the answer is yes.
And as far as the Var is concerned final 3 weeks at 60mg per day +- will definitely help harden you up:
I don't just pull this info out a reetard hat its from feedback from colleagues, clients and personal experience.
Yugen look around if you wish to double check:
Peace out

K, can see where this is going. My replies were not there to knock you at all, just a guideline. Not once did I write you advice was incorrect, just feel it was not the best for this cycle and as always only an opinion. We all have our best practices and rules of thumb.

I still wrote the reply and re-read it to make sure it was not offensive and if you look at all my other posts in the forum you will see that is what they all are about unless there is blatant, incorrect advise. This is not the case here.

I do not disagree with compounds you suggested, just doses. I also did not read every single reply, which is my bad in this case.

No harm no foul, at least the dude has 2 opinions to work off .... which ever he follows is his choice.

Hope the toes are not too sore and happy growing ....

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Mr Moose
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24 Sep 2009 21:06 #23779 by Mr Moose

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Ha ha Squirrel man :clapclap

The toes are never sore Netro: Thought your post was saying that my advice was inaccurate/ incorrect, and that some of your details were skewed. I would not give advice especially to a novice if i didnt have some backing behind it. Dam straight no harm no foul. If that wasnt your intention then schweet.
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yugen
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25 Sep 2009 12:22 #23815 by yugen

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Mr Moose

Re: Letro u said tapper off w9-10
to wat dose do i go?
Re:deca which would be gud for me

Deca 300 Nandrolone
Decanoate 300mg/ml- 10ml (Nomad Lab)

Deca 350 Nandrolone Decanoate- 350mg/ml - 10ml (PGW)

Deca-Durabolin Nandrolone Decanoate - 100mg/ml - 1 Amp (Organon)

Is thi test fine
Testoviron Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg/ml - 1 Amp (Schering

Also gonna post my complete cycle up later u give the yes or no.

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jackrabbit1
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25 Sep 2009 13:22 #23832 by jackrabbit1

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Deca-Durabolin Nandrolone Decanoate - 100mg/ml - 1 Amp (Organon)
Testoviron Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg/ml - 1 Amp (Schering

All pharma? first choice. Then PGW.

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Mr Moose
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25 Sep 2009 20:37 #23873 by Mr Moose

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Yea as jackrabbit said:
Have seen friends get good gains off the PGW and their products are ace.
If it was me i would go The schering for the test and PGW for the Deca.

Ha ha ok letro:
Personal drug but something like this-
week9:
.25
.25
.20
.20
.20
.15
.15
week10
.15
.1*
.1
.1
.1
.05
.05**

* Start Kessar
** Stop Letro

Peace

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yugen
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27 Sep 2009 21:59 #23950 by yugen

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hi guys

want run clen in 1st 4 weeks of cycle and then clen and eltroxin(T4 already have dis product) 4weeks after. Need dosages for 1st cycle clen and then 2nd cycle clen and t4.

thanks!

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yugen
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28 Sep 2009 13:18 #24017 by yugen

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hi guys

Been doing sum readin and most say it best to run clen 2w on 2w of and bridge wit eca stack or sumin simliar can sum suggest a cycle for me to run con current to my steriod +pct cycles and pls in my t4(eltroxin).

thanks for all the help guys!

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Inja
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28 Sep 2009 20:47 #24086 by Inja

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At the beginning of this thread you said you wanted to bulk up but now you talking about throwing in Clen and T4 after you take the anabolic hormones out your system.
:huh:

Also dont you can cycle the Clen and ECA stack but for optimal weightloss over the long term its better not to.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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yugen
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28 Sep 2009 23:31 #24101 by yugen

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Inja

Yes i do want to bulk up but i have a bit of fat to burn of aswell.

When do u suggest I use the clen and t4 or any other suggestions to get rid of the fat?

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Netro
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29 Sep 2009 06:49 #24104 by Netro

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If you want to bulk, then bulk ... period. Add the clen to your PCT.
You cannot do both as your diet cannot sustain bulk and cut, 2 different diets. That is the key, not the juice

It is not what car you drive, but the size of the arm hanging out the window.

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maximus26
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29 Sep 2009 08:38 #24116 by maximus26

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Hell Yeah for mr Netro!

Food, food, food. different types of course. that determines the bulk or the fat loss. The juice is there to enhance or work in tandem with diet. not other way around.

So many ppl miss that plot :silly:

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yugen
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29 Sep 2009 10:38 #24146 by yugen

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thanks netro

will follow your advice!

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yugen
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29 Sep 2009 14:36 #24178 by yugen

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decide to go with a 10 week cycle as follows:

d/bol 40mg e/d w1-w3

Deca350 (pgw) 350mg a week split into 2.

Test ent (schering)500mg a week split into 2.

HCG 500iu split into 2 w3-11 and 1000ui x2 w11- w12

letro 0.25mg e/d w1-w10 taper down w11 - w12

kessar- 20mg e/d w10-15

clen-t4 w11-12

thanks for all the advice guys!

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yugen
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02 Oct 2009 08:27 #24500 by yugen

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Mr Moose

Comments please!

thanks

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Mr Moose
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03 Oct 2009 02:04 #24561 by Mr Moose

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Sorry for late reply dude: special breed of nocturnal moose.
Ok so everything seems perfect the test and deca at those doses till week 8 correct?
Then the hcg take those two 1000iu shots in week 9 or 10 rather and No more after that so you dont go too far into PCT.
And start your clen at the beginin of week 10 when you start your kessar. Letro taper down week 9 and 10.
Otherwise looks good i will double chek or post the cycle in full when iam on a proper computer;)
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yugen
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03 Oct 2009 10:39 #24565 by yugen

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Mr Moose

Thanks 4 reply though u goin 2 leave me hangin.

Decided 2 do the test & deca for 10 weeks does everything move 2w down?
Hcg stil start in week 3?

Thanks moose u a top dude!

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Mr Moose
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03 Oct 2009 13:25 #24570 by Mr Moose

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All good dude happy to help:
Good decision there, ok then its as follows:
Start Kessar week 12
Hcg start week 3 if you wish 250iu-500iu 2xper week, 2x 1000iu week 11.
Clen start week 12
Letro taper down week 11 and 12.
And i think thats sorted;)
Peace

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Inja
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03 Oct 2009 13:32 #24572 by Inja

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Still don't like the T4

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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Mr Moose
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03 Oct 2009 20:56 #24601 by Mr Moose

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Agreed with inja forgot to even mention it:
You coming off what is a fairly decent bulking cycle for a beginner you dont want to risk loosing your hard earned gains due to t4 and the rapid metabolism, its just gonna complicate the crucial pct stage and the clen will already be putting a strain on your calorie deficit.
Run the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off atleast till you finish pct: will help keep you anabolic and harden you up a little.
Thats all you need, should get pleasing results off that.
Peace

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