PCT pre or post contest?

Hi I was just wondering what would be best? To run pct before a contest or just extend the cycle a week or two to run pct after a contest?? Obviously need to be concerned for the water dropping etc etc

Thanx

dude are u on cycle? we thoughts u were gonna follow our advice and not do juice for a while...

Hey DJ! Nah im not on cycle at the moment but my training partner is competing with me this year for the first time aswell, i think hes 22 or something but he's been on orals on and off for...well since i can remember, more than 2 years nw!

Anyhow, he doesn't have internet access at home so he just smses me to ask the Q's till he gets online!

ps-im just gona run some clen, eph, caff combo (mach5) for the 6weeks ripping to comp! No gear!

Thanx dj

If he's been on and off orals for two years then his liver probably looks like an ouma rusk. I would urge him to maybe go and see a doctor to see if he's still all in good shape then worry about putting the body under more stress from contest prep.

haha shrinked wrapped ouma rusk im telling you LOLz! Ill make it a mission to get him to listen, he's pretty stuborn and does what he feels, real good guy and looks amazing, just should be more attentave to his health! But if it's not too much to ask, can i please get a reply on the Q :side:

Thanx for the reply vega

My theory is that if you only going to do the one comp then your last day of your cycle should fall on the day of the comp. If you do well and go through to provincials you obviously need to extend the cycle.

I have a bit of knowledge on this because one of my friends won IFBB Sa in 2008 in his weight class and obviously he had to do a couple of comps that year.

So PCT should be done after the comp as imo you'll definitely hold a bit of water when coming off before.

thanx buddy! getting a better understanding now, will get back to my friend with this asap...and he asked if he needs to extend the cycle by a week or so can he do this by taking anavar or proviron? he's shooting testprop 1,5ml every 2days...

I wouldn't think that it would do any harm. But start the proviron before the comp to bring water levels down. What water dropping strategy will he be using?

all test shots should be dropped 2 weeks before the show to combat any chance of estrogen conversion,use an anti estrogen in those 2 weeks to come in with no water and hard...

if only it were that simple
its an individual challenge
either u get ur contest cycle and Diet ready to the T and cycle through the contest
or u take the risk and drop everything 3 weeks prior
in any case its the Diet that needs to be adjusted perfectly

djeasye wrote:

all test shots should be dropped 2 weeks before the show to combat any chance of estrogen conversion,use an anti estrogen in those 2 weeks to come in with no water and hard...

Okay it makes kind of sense if your only doing one comp. What happens if you do more than one comp? My thinking says that if you then reintroduce test you'll have a spike in estrogen, which in turn will then lead you to hold water.

complete opposite,if u take letro at 2.5mg a day for 7 days before your show with no test,within 3 days i can guarentee u a massive estrogen rebound with some serious depression,just ask ogre about natals last year,3 days after the show he was ready to drive his car off a bridge... my suggestion is if u are doing 2 shows with 2 weeks apart do AI leading up to the first show,for 1 week take test prop at 1ml and carry on with your AI,then week before the 2nd show drop the prop again,post 2nd show drop the AI and hit test prop for 1 week then start pct...should kill the estrogen rebound

look at it this way,u have suppressed estrogen for too long and those levels will rise through the roof once u get your estrogen rebound,by taking a couple shots of test it will help normalise your low test levels vs your high estrogen levels and u will normal out killing the effects of the estrogen rebound...

Awesome replies DJ and VEGA, thanx a mil!

Well the waterdropping he is going to use is as follows...

he's taking between 6-8l water in a day at the moment (9weeks from show) and that last week doing the carb cycling without training to get the inflamation (water) out of the muscles the day before contest night he reduces his water intake to 1l from 1pm and on show day only sip on ice cubes till stage time, he'll alse be doing a creatine loading fase during the last 5days up to show with added glutamine and taurine to ubsorb it better and suck alot of water into the muscle cells and also when he drops his water, the creatine will already be loaded into the muscle cells for fullness etc...please help if this is incorrect!?...

pumping up backstage on pure dextrose mixed in water...60g...this ohk?? (dosage will depend on if he's coming in flat or so..)

also if he feels up to it, he's looking for a nice diuretic for the night before show, any help? (probly wont be able to help due to new rules :dry: )

and epson salt bath night before show?? read something about that on this forum somewhere? 400g?

We'll be doing this show together and see how it goes, its our first try so things will tweak out from here but this is what we were thinking...thanx

IMO you guys are drinking to much water to effectively get your body into water flushing mode. You need to drink about 4l up to the Sunday before the show then start taking in about 12l water from the Sunday and cut all carbs. Then on the Monday and Tuesday you need to do full body workouts in order to deplete the muscle glucogen. Then on Wednesday only a upper body workout the you need to rest on Thursday. On Friday morning train a lagging body part that will bring out that muscle. Remember no full leg workout.

I'm not 100% on when to start taking in carbs as everybody is different but here it goes.

On the Friday you should start to carb up with your first two meals containing 50g of carbs derived from mainly fruit as this will replenish your liver glycogen very quickly. Then your next two meals should also be about 50g of carbs from mainly rice or potatos (startchy carbs). Then by 4pm you should cut ALL water intake. Then with your last meals of the days you should have quite a lot of simple sugars (ice cream or something similar.

That's how far my knowledge goes for contest prep.

Just be careful of diuretics as that's when most serious issues and sometimes death comes with body building.

Hope DJ, Testoboy, Ogre and those boys could assist further.

Please don't train legs heavy at least ten days before the comp.