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2nd cycle pct advice pls
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Stats before 1st cycle 26 yrs old
Height 179 cm
Weight 75
Bf 13
Currently stats are 27
Weight 85
B6 11
Any advice and direction from the veterans here would be greatly appreciated
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How long is your cycle going to be? Equi and Test Enan are both long esters so wouldn't go for anything below 10 weeks. Aim for 12 -14 weeks cycle length.
Sounds like you are prone to gyno sides so I would run the letro throughout. Letro can be run 0.2mg EOD.
Your PCT should consist of a week of clomid at 100mg/day, followed by Nolva at 20mg/day for 3-4 weeks and 1500iu/week HCG. This will be a level 2 PCT (see Guide to PCT contruction - PCT section)
Also, who told you to run tren for your first coarse.... very hectic. Usually one only thinks about tren after years of steroid use.
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I completely agree with you, that compound should not have been in any of my future beginner cycles! I was like a teen eager to lose his virginity, lack of knowledge and research and eagerness clouded my better judgement, and I paid the price, 14 weeks of sweats, injection tren cough and progestin buildup and pinning eod and I'm that much wiser for it... Wnt mess with tren, not for a looooong time!
Hence this cycle I've researched and gotten to know as much as I can suck in! But 1st hand advice is always better!
So back to my noob mistake,
I'm planning on doing both compounds for 10 weeks with a dbol frontload for the 1st 2 weeks @ 50mg/day? Advisable?
Then planning on running supertest for a further 2 weeks beyong the cycle...?
Also have proviron on hand, heard it shouldn't be used as part of pct as it is hpta suppressive? So should I still run the letro @ .2 mg eod? Even with the prov?
Going to give protocol 2 a good read and follow it to a t...
Wana get this cycle under my belt seamlessly.
But yeh thanks for the kick in the right direction! Advise is always a good thing
thanks my man
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PCT
week 1 - 100mg clomid/day (split 50mg morning, 50mg evening)
week 2 - 4 - 20mg/day nolvadex
week 2 - 4 - 500iu EOD HCG
Proviron can be run throughout your cycle up until PCT but not in PCT as it is still suppressive. Letro can be run with the prov no problem.
I would also try run the Equi/Test for longer if you can. 10 weeks is the bare minimum but 12 - 14 weeks is optimal. Equi especially kicks in very late, I only really start seeing any noticable effects after 8 - 10 weeks.
Maybe increase your d-bol to 4 weeks at 40mg/day however 2 weeks d-bol @ 50mg/day will also give a nice kickstart to the cycle so its up to you.
So do you want to run Supertest after your 10 weeks Testen/Equi? I wouldn't do that if thats what you mean. Rather run the ST with the Testen/Equi as it also conatins long esters. If you only start the ST after the 10 weeks you will have to extend the cycle to 20 weeks + which is too long.
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Okay cool, so I don't need to run test 2 weeks longer than eq hey?
So I'd start pct between 14-21 days after my last pin?
Just a couple more question about hcg... Should I run it during the cycle to speed up recovery? And shouldn't hcg be run before clomid and nolva in pct? Just wana know as much as I can bout this stuff
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Guide to PCT Construction
Also look at upping eq dose to atleast 525mg a week
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PCT will have to start 3 x length of longest ester which is Equi at 14 days, so PCT will have to start 42 days after your last pin. You can possibly run proviron or winstrol to bridge this period.
All HCG will do while on-cycle is keep your balls from shrinking but there is no evidence that running HCG throughout will mean a more successful PCT.
Read Doctari's posts on PCT and he expains why clomid/nolva/HCG are timed in such a way during PCT. As far as I can remember the clomid stimulates LH hormone to restore HPTA in a so called "initial phase", thereafter HCG regulates the restoration of the HPTA and restores natural test production. The nolva is used purely as an anti-estrogen to combat post cycle build-up.
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So one week of clomid at 100mg/day
Followed by 3 to 4 weeks of nolva.
Then 1500 ius/week of hcg?
Dam 42 days is a long ass time. Possibility of crashing during this period?gain loss?
That link to the pct construction doesn't work though... Would be helluva interested in reading it though!
Thanks for the clarity and the advice! Much appreciated. Will post on this thread as to how cycle turns out
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Gear list consists of the following
1 bottle lp clomid
1 bottle lp nolva
1 vial hcg
2 vials pgw testen 300mg/ml 10ml
1 vial pgw equi 350mg/ml 10ml
2 bottles of dbol oc labs 10mg per tab 30 tabs
2 bottles of proviron
1 bottle of lp clen drops
1 bottle of lp letrozole
So yeh just getting a cycle going with what I have one hand
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spyke wrote: Shot for the heads up guys!
So one week of clomid at 100mg/day
Followed by 3 to 4 weeks of nolva.
Then 1500 ius/week of hcg?
Dam 42 days is a long ass time. Possibility of crashing during this period?gain loss?
That link to the pct construction doesn't work though... Would be helluva interested in reading it though!
Thanks for the clarity and the advice! Much appreciated. Will post on this thread as to how cycle turns out
not really, the hormone accumulates in your system and builds up, which means that about after 42 days have passed, only then will hormone levels drop to below natural levels and will muscle loss occur.
The thing you shouldnt do is restrict calories in the bridge period, then you will hurt your gains.
Diet is key, as always.
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Getting really keen on starting my cycle toward the end of october, beginning of november! Will ask further questions concerning the aforementioned cycle!
Doctari's pct regarding aromasin...
Can I get away without using it or is it a must?
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There is no harm adding aromasin and will be beneficial but is not necessary for your test/eq cycle.
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