prop and which oral

Thinking of what to use for my 2nd cycle.

What would be the best oral to use with test prop? Also, even though prop is a cutting AAS, will you still gain soem muscle from it.

My goal is not to bulk up too much, maybe put on 3-5 kg's, but look bigger and more defined.

Var or T - bol

What length would you run the various compounds, lets say prop en T-Bol and what dosages?

I dont see how test prop is a cutting steroid. its testosterone and testerone is testosterone... the only reason why its used is for shorter cycle and cleaning out the system faster for detection times....

3kgs you could probabbly do, 5 is a shit load of 'muscle' i'd say be safe on the cycle to gain 3kgs muscle that would be good going...

I am currently on a test prop and Dbol cycle 200mg EOD, dbol 40mg ED., I am gaining slowly but good quality gains, I am actually leaner and my shape is much better. I really expected a lot of water and so forth but I am much leaner, even my stomach is flatter! My diet is strict so maybe that is helping? I am stumped but i think I should be glad.

Well diet will do that yes, the drug wont.... yes they have their purposes... but to get lean diet and cardio / burning calories are the only way.... not even clen or t3 or anything else sitting on your ass will do squat....

but you only really know how much water you holding when you come off your cycle... if your estrogen is controlled you can get lean + pack on lean mass while on a cycle... but if you uding dbol and test you got water, thats for sure.... how much not sure, all depends on how your body reacts to these drugs...

glad you gaining though, keep it up... eat clean, stay healthy!

True Mr pump. Thnx!!!

Andre:
Prop Var cycles are brilliant,
Dont know what your stats are but if you ran the prop for 6 week and continued the VAR for another 2 you will get some good, clean and safe results.

Some will argue the Oral course is too long but you can push 8 weeks if you taking correct liver protection, eating right, getting enough water and not dopping. I pulled this exact cycle on my last cycle, was very pleased got nice and ripped and put on just over 3kg's of muscle from my calculations, also felt good and has maintained well.

Doses:
Again need stats to help pinpoint doses you but cycle would look like this,
Test prop- 100-180mg eod, weeks 1-6
Var- 60mg ed, weeks 1-8
Run Letro at .25
Run HCG 250-500IU 8 shots, weeks 6-8
Kessar- 20mg weeks 9-12

Mr Moose wrote:

Andre:
Prop Var cycles are brilliant,
Dont know what your stats are but if you ran the prop for 6 week and continued the VAR for another 2 you will get some good, clean and safe results.

Some will argue the Oral course is too long but you can push 8 weeks if you taking correct liver protection, eating right, getting enough water and not dopping. I pulled this exact cycle on my last cycle, was very pleased got nice and ripped and put on just over 3kg's of muscle from my calculations, also felt good and has maintained well.

Doses:
Again need stats to help pinpoint doses you but cycle would look like this,
Test prop- 100-180mg eod, weeks 1-6
Var- 60mg ed, weeks 1-8
Run Letro at .25
Run HCG 250-500IU 8 shots, weeks 6-8
Kessar- 20mg weeks 9-12

Mr M thanks for ur answer.my stats6'4 115 bf 12-15% done 1 cycle of tst e and var.