Reliable ECA

N3rd
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09 Nov 2009 14:22 #28368 by N3rd

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I know there are a lot of threads on ECA's.
But my question / concern is:
I used Atomic Extreme ECA stack, with good results. But every capsule differed in composition, meaning very high inconsistency.
Let me explain, one capsule will give you a niacin flush like you feel you are about to explode (whole body red and hot :evil: ). The next will do nothing. The next will give you a really good ephedra boost :cardio , with only little flushing. The next makes you nauseas, like too much caffeine :X , no flushing. The next gives mild flushing and ephedra boost. Etc. You get the idea.....
Btw. I took them, 30 min after a protein shake taken upon waking. So there is no problem with empty and full stomach or whatever. It was not my wrong doing!

I know some of you on the forum, know the Manufacturer of this product.
My question is: is Heat made by the same people, and does it have the same inconsistencies?

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jackrabbit1
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09 Nov 2009 14:25 #28369 by jackrabbit1

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I've used Heat for 2 years solid. I have no reason or will to switch to any other brand.

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N3rd
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09 Nov 2009 14:28 #28371 by N3rd

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jackrabbit1 wrote:

I've used Heat for 2 years solid. I have no reason or will to switch to any other brand.

Thanks, good response.

The thing is, the products are NO Name, Brand-less, Unknown manufacturer...

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N3rd
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10 Nov 2009 18:22 #28487 by N3rd

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Come on djeasye...
I know you know the answer to this one...

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jackrabbit1
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10 Nov 2009 20:04 #28491 by jackrabbit1

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N3rd wrote:

Come on djeasye...
I know you know the answer to this one...

What exactly are you asking? Heat has established a market through consitent quality and therefore is a BRAND IMO.

I use it as a pre-workout booster - 5 days on, 2 off. Monday its strong, Friday slightly weak so i try to use 2 spaced a couple of hours apart.

I dont think you will find even a single negative post on HEAT.

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N3rd
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10 Nov 2009 20:10 #28492 by N3rd

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We have established that Heat is a quality fat burner. So, that is part 1 of my question.
part 2. I would like to know if all the no name fat burners are manufactured by the same place. A new brand "G-Tech" has surfaced, and the design of the labels look exactly the same as Atomic Extreme and Fusion. The wording is also identical.
Is Heat made by the "G-tech" okes?

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Empire
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10 Nov 2009 20:30 #28493 by Empire

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honestly its not the same people making it dude...

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N3rd
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10 Nov 2009 21:02 #28510 by N3rd

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djeasye wrote:

honestly its not the same people making it dude...

Thanks

So, do you think the new "G-tech" products will have the same inconsistencies?

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Empire
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10 Nov 2009 21:03 #28511 by Empire

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more than likely.stick with heat and wasp...

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N3rd
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11 Nov 2009 20:02 #28575 by N3rd

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Here is another question...

Is there a pre-workout booster (pump type) without caffeine?
To use when you are using fatburners and still want to get a nice pump,
but without killing yourself with 400mg+ caffeine?

The best I could come up with is: Solal L-Arginine (Powder) 200g

Will this be effective in producing nice pumps?

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Cirus
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01 Feb 2011 21:26 #60312 by Cirus

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Hi, I can you guys suggest a good Epha + Caffiene fat burner (preferably with no Aspirin)?

I have not used any fat burners before and I think I'd like to give the EC combination a try.

And is there a way of getting the amounts of ECA in each Heat capsule?

Comments would be appreciated

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STUARTF
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02 Feb 2011 06:43 #60322 by STUARTF

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The most widely recommended ratio in a ECA stack should be in the proportionate of: Eph 25mg, Caffeine 250mg and Aspirin 80 to 300 mg. I'm not sure if HEAT uses this ratio.

By the way DJ, do you know if HEAT have changed their formula back to the original? I've just started another bottle and it seems to be the same.

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Koe007
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02 Feb 2011 06:57 #60324 by Koe007

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N3rd a good preworkout booster I use which is perhaps cheaper than Solal is Beta Alanine by Supplements SA awesome pumps and no Caffeine very cheap, I also use HEAT and love the stuff the new bottle is for me much stronger and consistent than the older one.

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00pump
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02 Feb 2011 07:03 #60325 by 00pump

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STUARTF how long have you had a break for Eph / Clen, etc.

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STUARTF
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02 Feb 2011 07:14 #60328 by STUARTF

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00pump, it's been about 6 weeks off. I've now started the HEAT and I'm going to cycle it with clen every 2 weeks. I've also just started a 14 week cutting cycle.

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02 Feb 2011 08:02 #60329 by 00pump

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Sorry don't think i'm understanding you going to take ECA for 2 weeks then to Clen for 2 weeks. Or ECA +Clen for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off?

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Empire
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02 Feb 2011 08:19 #60331 by Empire

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how do u mean the stuartf? they are still the same as everyone has been taking,the branded capsules are potent...some people feel them badly,some others not,i have a female friend who took 1 ad ended up vommiting from being too wired,and another that took 2 per serving twice a day and feels a buzz but not quite wired like the other chick,they are using caps from the same bottle as they share their burners....

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STUARTF
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02 Feb 2011 13:43 #60351 by STUARTF

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@00pump: sorry, I meant that I'm going to alternate 2 weeks HEAT, then 2 weeks clen, 2 weeks HEAT etc. Also taking betasleep everynight to upregulate beta-receptors.

@DJ: I know a while back there were a lot of complaints about the new HEAT and everyone wanted it to be changed to the old formula. I've just read the "heat" thread:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/steroid...at?limit=25&start=50
and I see it has been sorted out.
Come to think of it, I have noticed that I don't experience that 10am crash that I used to get when using the previous bottle.

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Empire
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02 Feb 2011 14:00 #60352 by Empire

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well there u go dude

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00pump
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02 Feb 2011 14:07 #60353 by 00pump

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Hey dude, I don't have scientific evidence but I doubt beta sleep can upregulate your receptors to the point that you can run both compounds back to back. If you use clen you are going to need a break even if it's a week but you will require time off.

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STUARTF
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02 Feb 2011 14:45 #60356 by STUARTF

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Doctari recommends taking ketotifin to up-regulate beta-receptors so that it would be possible to run clen/heat back to back for extended periods of time. The active ingredient in betasleep (Diphenhydramine HCL), is also an antihistamine and works very similarly to ketotifin. I think it probably would be safe to run the HEAT/clen combo for periods of up to 6 to 8 weeks but then a break would be needed. There have been threads on this before:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/cycle-d...2-betasleep-and-clen

I don't know pump, do you think it would be better to run HEAT/Clen together in 2 week intervals (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off)?

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00pump
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02 Feb 2011 15:30 #60361 by 00pump

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One guys I can say who knows his stuff is the Doc so if he says that then I trust his judgement. He has changed my perception on many things I thought may have been ok when it wasn't or visa versa.

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02 Feb 2011 18:46 #60365 by shaun g

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DJ wrote: how do u mean the stuartf? they are still the same as everyone has been taking,the branded capsules are potent...some people feel them badly,some others not,i have a female friend who took 1 ad ended up vommiting from being too wired,and another that took 2 per serving twice a day and feels a buzz but not quite wired like the other chick,they are using caps from the same bottle as they share their burners....

The branded capsules as in da word “heat”printed on them?

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jackrabbit1
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02 Feb 2011 19:05 #60366 by jackrabbit1

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I find that if i run them Mon-Fri i recover enough over the w-end to have full potency on Mon again.
Its also not such a bugger to come off them after a long cycle.

Talk about Deja-poking-vu!

BTW - even though the manufacturers greatly improved on the botched batch, they are still not the same as the originals.

I'm sure they know that.

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Empire
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03 Feb 2011 05:57 #60373 by Empire

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i think its the case of obtaining 100% legit raws at a decent price to make products like this jack...its still makes you wired like you were hoping for which is he main goal,2nd is fat burning right????

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