PGW vs NOMAD

Hi folks...I'm new to this forum, but not new to juice
Just your personal oppinions please. I've been on NOMAD (Deca + Test Cyp) for 10 weeks, and only felt a "slight" change in my system. I had a look at PGW-gear for quite some time, and something just tels me it will work BETTER than Nomad. (I have been off gear for 3 YEARS...and still Nomad hardly did anything to me).
At the mo I am on another cycle of Nomad (Deca 300 + Test Combo 300 + Super Anadrol). Far as i know, seeing the Combo has 7 esters (fast and slow) + the Super Anadrol, i should have noticed "something" in my 3rd week...but nothing. How do you folks rate PGW?
Tia

Hi,

I moved your post to the correct category.

I'm not going to answer your question and will leave that to the site members. One thing I want to point out though without tying to steer the thread off topic is that the number of esters is not making a substance more powerful. In fact the opposite is the case... I'm going to quote my old post:

Let me explain... you see there are 7 esters attached to varying amounts of active testosterone molecules, 4 of which are very long and heavy esters.

Isocaproate 20mg/ml - 7%
Phenylpropionate 20mg/ml - 7%
Propionate 20mg/ml - 7%
Cypionate 40mg/ml - 13%
Enanthate 40mg/ml - 13%
Decanoate 90mg/ml - 30%
Undecylenate 70mg/ml - 23%

What that means is that in that 300mg mix a massive amount of that weight will be due to the big/heavy esters... eg. Decanoate and Undecylenate.

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Let’s look at what part the esters play in the final weight per dosage.

Please note I'm working with percentages below and not actual g/mol

Testosterone: Molecular Weight: 288 * 100 = 28800 (This is the ideal for pure testosterone)

Isocaproate: Molecular Weight: 98 * 7 = 686
Phenylpropionate: Molecular Weight: 132 * 7 = 924
Propionate: Molecular Weight: 56 * 7 = 392
Cypionate: Molecular Weight: 124 * 13 = 1612
Enanthate: Molecular Weight: 112 * 13 = 1456
Decanoate: Molecular Weight: 154 * 30 = 4620
Undecylenate: Molecular Weight: 166 * 23 = 3818

Total ester weight = 13508

Amount of free testosterone = 28800 – 13508 = 15292

Percentage of actual testosterone = 53%
Percentage of esters = 47%

I'm not 100% sure that my calculations are correct... I will get my chemistry books later if we want to go into more detail. If I'm correct it shows that you will only get 53% free testosterone in that mix the rest are useless esters, that only make up weight.

Another thing: Why the hell do you want Cypionate and Enanthate in the same mix... there's only a single carbon atom difference... probably for marketing purposes... 7 testosterones looks pretty good on paper...

LOL! Well Mr Hood - you are correct in your assessment to say the least! Nowhere will you find a larger PGW fraternity!

And as for Admin's post - not stronger, but is designed to keep blood plasma levels of testosterone more stable.

Hi Robin Hood, this has been answered extensively by many before, but just to add my 2 cents. I have personally used Nomad before and will NEVER EVER buy their stuff again, their Combo did nothing for me their Cyp and Deca were useless as well. The only Nomad that worked for me was Test Susp, so way to many inconsistencies. Why waste your hard earned money on a product that does not work or is inconsistent. PGW is far superior to me not even comparable. Just My personal experience Ive used Supertest, Deca 350, Tren 150 Enanthate. All excellent products, even the presentation is quality.

Yeah, Nomad is shit. Underdosed and full of Benzyl Alcohol which gives me incredible injection pain. Do yourself a favour and get some PGW.

You know what... even if Nomad Test Combo is 100% correctly dosed it will only yield 53% of the free test you will have if you inject a Suspension that is 100% accurately dosed. However that is the case with all ester mixes including the "magical" sustanon. Guys really should just go for PGW Prop as the ester takes little weight and the injection will have no pain...

NOMAD is K@K...i only use PGW,LP and Axio

To me there is only 1 Brand=PGW!

I've never used anything other than LP and PGW.

Thanks everyone....I think i just wasted my bucks on shit. Although i'm only on week 3 going 4, i'll carry on using the crap (at least i know my money went through my arse!)

Nomad is kak but then again there is also better juice then PGW.

I believe you Supercharged...but to GET the damn stuff...lol

hmmmm 8 out of 10 people on this thread vote pgw,except supercharged and robin hood,80% of the guys here cant be wrong out pgw being the best so either u can use pgw or be someone willing to waste money trying to find out what the other brand is that is better....

All i want to know is how can you make a statement like that?

Have you taken 200mg of Nomad Cyp and done blood tests
Have you then carried the same test out on 200mg of PGW
And then finally have you tried this with the magic 200mg of whatever you have used.

Again, I started taking steroids using pharma grade, moved to an underground lab called Apex (which is power) and then found PGW which is just as strong.

You guys that think their is some magic potion in a certain name clearly don't understand what you saying. Nomad works and offers good results, it's just expensive, anyone who has taken Nomad will clearly say it gives you results as it does and it wouldn't still be around if it never worked, however my preference is PGW and I have blood results to prove this.

00pump wrote: All i want to know is how can you make a statement like that?

Have you taken 200mg of Nomad Cyp and done blood tests
Have you then carried the same test out on 200mg of PGW
And then finally have you tried this with the magic 200mg of whatever you have used.

Again, I started taking steroids using pharma grade, moved to an underground lab called Apex (which is power) and then found PGW which is just as strong.

You guys that think their is some magic potion in a certain name clearly don't understand what you saying. Nomad works and offers good results, it's just expensive, anyone who has taken Nomad will clearly say it gives you results as it does and it wouldn't still be around if it never worked, however my preference is PGW and I have blood results to prove this.

What ever dude, post your blood tests results and I will post the tests results I had done on some PGW gear.

Thing is...I use to get all my gear from a certain "supplier" (wont mention names) and NONE of there stuff worked (including NOMAD)...that's the reason i've joined THIS site...dunno if their stuf was "fake"...."under dosed" or WHAT the F-k, but i didn't even get ZITS!!!
I managed to get some Deca (50mg/mil) and Test Depot (100ml/mil) from a pharmacist...and i got GAINS that was unbelievable...just the pricing was way out for me...

If I were you id change my supplier

To me its pretty obvious, if you've used both products then you're qualified to pass judgement.

Well I've used both products and I can categorically state that PGW works better as its not as inconsistent as Nomad. Nomad doesn't make a bad product, sometimes!

There's a guy at my gym that's only used Nomad before and didn't show much results or sides, I suggested he use SuperTest + Deca from PGW and after two weeks he's presenting gyno symptoms. He didn't even know what was going on, he thought the stuff's is shit but I explained that for the first time ever he's using a proper test that's dosed correctly.

I have also used both Nomad works, but PGW works better. I have found no difference between PGW and Pharma grade Sustanon.

To me it doesnt make sense...TEST is TEST...doesnt matter WHO makes it. The prob lies that 1) its either FAKE, or 2) its under-dosed

oh yes, no one is disputing that... Test is the cheapest stuff goin, but it is often under or inconsistently dosed, and different brands use differing amounts of alcohols... Hence the pain difference. So yes there can be a huge difference based on who makes it. It is afterall WHO makes it that will determine if it is consistently dosed and genuine

AMEN to THAT!
...hence the reason I'm changing to PGW...

I havent used many brands as i found PGW early on. Nomad to start off with, some Egyptian Test Prop(Pharma), PGW, Organon, Schering. In that order.

I can tell you now, after being on Organon and Schering for MANY months now that there is no reason to prefer them over PGW.

Like i said before, I'm on Nomad COMBO and DECA AND "Super Anadrol" from Xtreme...Im going on my 5th week now, and not even a HARD-ON! Sometimes i wonder if people dont throw "icing sugar" or something like that in these so-called "Capsules" you get :evil:

Or better still...I must try and find a foreigner source...

well you wont get hard on if you are taking too much deca and not enough test.The Super Anadrol from muscle extreme is dodegy stuff. I would much rather go for superbol 10 from LP .

Generally i don't trust pro-hormones because they are not tested enough and proven to be safe so why use something that can be unsafe and you dont know exactly what you are getting when you can take AAS and know what they are going to do.Oh and they are much safer.