TEST. CYPIONANTE

i know there is or was a shortage of it came there is a guy on the net who claims he has nomad stock...is it available again?

Nomad? why o why:blink:

MxT wrote:

Nomad? why o why:blink:

i think we need to change that name on the forum to "NO r u MAD" labs...PGW dreamer...the test en is the way to go and from what i have seen the guys taking the testen dont get those little purple marks on the skin like depotrone used to leave...

lol ok ok ok ok ok ok

Stay as far away from CYP as humanly possible. That's the reason my back now looks like that of a spotted hyena.

vega i said no to steroids! they just didnt listen!!

Can't be good for your health.

Cyp is a dirty compound if you ask me ... but then again thats just my opinion

You know what they say: you get what you pay for. My problem with it is that it's the staple compound of school laaities and they anyway don't know what they're putting into their bodies.

On the contrary.

Depotrone is one of the best quality testosterones in South Africa. Its made by BRAND REMOVED which is a legitimate pharmaceutical company.

Please explain to me how cyp is a “dirty” ester? What is “dirty”

You guys think Depotrone is shit because its cheap? It’s a blessing. I would choose depotrone over any other test on the market.

Depotrone costs next to nothing , if you tested it it would pass 100% , pharmaceutical grade gear. The only problem with it is that you cant find any.

i was also always wondering y they say dirty, it doesn;t sound good, a new guy would imm think that its shit, and thats far from what it is.
i know some say it gives u more acne and hold's more water maybe thats y.
i have used cyp and enan and both worked well for me.

The only reason why its cheap is because it has many side effects (doctors fear this stuff like the death itself) and hence the Pharma Co's can't sell it for much. The quality of the Pharma grade stuff was however higher than any underground lab ever will be. Or do you see inspectors checking for contamination in underground labs?

Martin77 wrote:

The only reason why its cheap is because it has many side effects (doctors fear this stuff like the death itself) and hence the Pharma Co's can't sell it for much. The quality of the Pharma grade stuff was however higher than any underground lab ever will be. Or do you see inspectors checking for contamination in underground labs?

Where do you draw the correlation between something being cheap because it has side effects? Its cheap because it doesn’t cost a lot to produce it. Like aspirin. Do you know how easy it is for a pharma company to make a simple compound like test cyp. Costs next to nothing.

If your using test cyp at 200mg every second week in a HRT method (the intended use) then what side effects will you have? If you cannot produce test what other options do you have other than injection. You can choose a gel I guess. So why would doctors fear it? Doctors prescribe it.

Sorry your statement doesn’t add up. Im not trying to be full of shit but I read it and I had to comment. There is a lot of miss information. Unless im missing something here?

Test cyp is not dirty. Depotrone (BRAND REMOVED) and Depo-test (Pfizer) are undoubtedly the best steroids on the market at the moment. Test is king and those are both pharma grade quality (highest). The only down fall on them is that they are 100mg per ml. Which can become a pain in the glutes for guys who take big doses. Other than that they are perfect.

1 ml ED :woohoo:

Depotrone produced by BRAND REMOVED and Pfizer are wonderful, but Nomad's version is shit.

Steroids in general cost very little to produce... Anavar is just as easy to make as Testosterone, but much more expensive... because it is "safe".

Don't get me wrong I love the stuff but I get acne like crazy from it.

Kevin

Lets start with the second statement first. Doctors like to prescribe Testosterone for HRT. No they don’t not any straight thinking one. First, let’s just look at the risk of cancer in older patients and then evaluated what the introduction of Testosterone would mean. It means throwing petrol on a fire. No doctor would like to risk a lawsuit from a patient because he just increased his risk for prostate cancer by huge amount (or any type of cancer for that matter). Only very dingy doctors prescribe the stuff (the HRT "doctors") or they have good lawyers that draw up water tight documentation that the patient signs before they issue you with anything, or they prescribe it over the net, to a “patient” in another country where the doctor cannot be charged for malpractice.

Which brings me to point 2 I would like to make. If there is such a negative connotation amongst doctors (who are the ONLY people allowed to prescribe Testosterone) then the pharma companies are practically at their mercy. Testosterone is in any qualified physicians eyes a very dangerous substance who’s benefits are strongly outweighed by side effects. Yes, it’s cheap to produce, but the pharma companies will not add a huge profit to it because they don’t make money off it, plus the patent has run out, so why make it expensive?

Martin
How do you connect Cancer and Testosterone? All i can find on the subject is a bunch of ummm's and aaah's; speculation. latest research shows NO connection to prostate cancer.
As a matter of fact, i couldn't find ANY real evidence.
Please point me to your research - old ballies like myself would really like to know.

I've used Nomads stuff before and I didn't have any problems with it. Any Ester induces a burning sensation in the muscle (the pain varies with the type of Ester and Nomad screwed up the Prop a year or so ago). I however prefer the lower dosed pharma-grade stuff if available.

forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72

Please read some of the HRT docs here. If you disagree please point me in the right direction.

on you go talking bout acne & shit!
you'all know the risks of taking test!
bottom line if something worked for you then why change a winning formula?
test cyp(nomad) didn't work that well for me but pgw testen300 is the shit:)
& as far as test cyp being dirty cause it's cheap....now thats just dumb

What a load of sh#t.... Sorry to be blunt. As always Kev makes a very solid point. price has got nothing to do with the quality of the substance. its economics guys. Supply demand and input costs. I call this the BMW attitude. Cos its expensive doesnt always make it good. Tren A and Primo is VERY expensive. But i will bet my ass. that if it cost R300 for 20ml's everyone would be saying its crap. Depotrone was cheap to SA users becuase it was produced here. i remember paying R120-R150 for as box if you had to get that in the US it would have cost you 10times the price-then suddenly it would have been the best juice money can buy. And frankly most Dr's are full of shit- they would happily prescribe Thyroid and cortisone drugs to people who dont need them and the have the fear of God for anabolics??? Please being a GP does not make you an Endocrenologist- it makes you worse It gives you acces to dangerous drugs but it does not supply you with the know how to apply it. Do you know how 99% of Dr.s in this country work. They have a pretty little rep from a Pharma company come in (that by the way sends him overseas 2 times a year as a thank you) tell him about this wonderfull new drug they have for flue. and he without thinking prescribes it to everyperson that walks in there for the next 3 months withoput any further research. Why becuae if he hits his quotas he will qualify for the next overseas trip or golf day. that is the reality of most of the medical profession. Granted there are exeptions and these are the individuals in whoms hands you can put your life- but they are far and few.

Jackrabbit - First of all I use medline and other online journals written by scientists as a background, not what bodybuilders think they know. But I’ll follow your link anyway, just to see. I think you are referring to a study that actually went against the grain that Testosterone increases the risk of Cancer. However this has been only 1 study where there are lots of studies that prove the opposite. I’m also waiting to see if more studies will support this later study.

MxT - Doctors actually do learn about Endocrinology and Pharmacology at varsity and are qualified to prescribe drugs (are you MxT?). I don’t think, you Mr. big mouth MxT even have a qualification that could even be considered a shadow of a MBChB, so please don’t knock a qualification that you know very little about. There are crappy GP’s around, but there are crappy anything in every field of study. I don’t know what medical doctor made your life a misery, but please once again, stop knocking a degree you have no knowledge about. The medical doctors I know, who by the way are all specializing in some or another field, all first consult specialists in the field of Endocrinology and since its their calling to actually heal people, no clog up their arteries, grow their Prostate and shrink their Testis, they first try alternatives before prescribing AAS.

I agree with you on the supply versus demand issue, if you read my post a bit more closely, I said all pharma drugs are of a high grade, especially those made in first world countries. They aren’t dirty at all. The underground labs are a difference, I don’t even want to go into what crap Mexico used to produce. But you supply versus demand theory of legal substances is regulated by exactly that, the demand by doctors to even prescribe something like an anabolic steroid. It’s not that Primo is a “better drug”, that makes it more expensive, it’s because if you consulted any text book on Pharmacology, you would realize that Primo is one of the safest AAS around, hence any MD would, if he/she chose to, would prescribe a safe drug before they ventured to a drug with a multitude of side effects. Each drug has a specific field of application, like for example Deca is the preferred drug for people with AIDS that just waste away. The ones that are most prescribe are obviously sold at a higher price so that the pharms companies can line their pockets with gold (If you are looking for a scapegoat MxT go look at the pharms companies, they are in SA an equivalent to a DRUG CARTEL and I’m sure in the rest of the world a similar picture persist.)

LOL, I can see this could end in a study versus study debate. Unfortunately I don’t have access to all the studies since I don’t work at a university. But as far as I know, they have database software that actually pulls all studies available and compares them to find what trend there persists since as with everything, there will be studies supporting and refuting these claims. I’ll check if someone actually published a paper that compares all papers to date.

First of all I use medline and other online journals written by scientists as a background, not what bodybuilders think they know. But I’ll follow your link anyway, just to see. I think you are referring to a study that actually went against the grain that Testosterone increases the risk of Cancer. However this has been only 1 study where there are lots of studies that prove the opposite. I’m also waiting to see if more studies will support this later study.

Martin77 - i think those studies are scientific? By scientists, No?