Chemical is a chemical, no matter which brand?

Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...

The main thing is the dosage in the component itself I think. For example a 40mcg cap the one manufacture's clen is dosed at 38.5mcg and the other one at a mere 25mcg.

yip i hace to agree with iMan on this. dosage but also quality is a problem. we dont know how materials get handled so i would stick to reputable brands.

Roidrat07 wrote: Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...

A chemical is not a chemical nowadays due to the grade or quality of raw materials used in producing the drug. Solvents used, oils used etc. All of these factors play a role in the quality of product you receive and mg for mg strength. The better connected a supplier is the better the quality of raw materials he will receive, the more knowledgeable the "Chef" is the better end product.

iMan wrote: The main thing is the dosage in the component itself I think. For example a 40mcg cap the one manufacture's clen is dosed at 38.5mcg and the other one at a mere 25mcg.

Hell, that is just plain crookery!!! A 40mcg should be 40mcg!!! Is like calling a a 1.6 City Golf a 2 litre. :evil:

Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.

Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?

Koe007 wrote:

Roidrat07 wrote: Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...

A chemical is not a chemical nowadays due to the grade or quality of raw materials used in producing the drug. Solvents used, oils used etc. All of these factors play a role in the quality of product you receive and mg for mg strength. The better connected a supplier is the better the quality of raw materials he will receive, the more knowledgeable the "Chef" is the better end product.

Thanks Koe007 - that makes a lot of sense as well. Especially the extraction/manufacture method.

Koe007 wrote:

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.

Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?

Well this is something where I have changed my mind and I have done this by chatting to PGW quite a bit about it... I did use 1000mg for awhile, but I find you start to get nasty side effects, Primo E at 600mg a week is PERFECT, even if you a monster, and I'm saying that because even PGW recommends it.

00pump wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.

Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?

Well this is something where I have changed my mind and I have done this by chatting to PGW quite a bit about it... I did use 1000mg for awhile, but I find you start to get nasty side effects, Primo E at 600mg a week is PERFECT, even if you a monster, and I'm saying that because even PGW recommends it./quote]

What sides? At 800 i got anxiety etc.

I started to get blood pressure issues, sleep disorder, over heating, anxiety and funny enough a few pimples on my arms, maybe 4 or 5 (nothing to worry about) that I NEVER GET on steroids.. But I felt 'ugly' can't explain it, like hmm, I just wasn't happy, or not happy, but on edge, that could have been linked to the anxiety I'm not sure. End of the day I see no difference in the gains, I lost no weight when I dropped to 600mg and felt wonderful, like I'm not even on a steroid, mood came right, blood pressure went down to 130/80 and strength kept going up. However I trust the source of information and based on the condition he is in, I will not question trying to run higher doses..

Now now Veteran Members, stay on topic....

00pump wrote: I started to get blood pressure issues, sleep disorder, over heating, anxiety and funny enough a few pimples on my arms, maybe 4 or 5 (nothing to worry about) that I NEVER GET on steroids.. But I felt 'ugly' can't explain it, like hmm, I just wasn't happy, or not happy, but on edge, that could have been linked to the anxiety I'm not sure. End of the day I see no difference in the gains, I lost no weight when I dropped to 600mg and felt wonderful, like I'm not even on a steroid, mood came right, blood pressure went down to 130/80 and strength kept going up. However I trust the source of information and based on the condition he is in, I will not question trying to run higher doses..

I think we are on the same page concerning the sides and effect of a lower dosage. I'm on 400mg and plan to run that long term. I'm quite happy with everything as it is now.

So a chemical isnt really a chemical now is it?

Ye, or use the 500mg, then 4 shots per amp.