Clen General & Babby's first cycle

6 weeks on straight with ketofin / Betasleep

Pyroclasm wrote:

Bruno wrote: First of all, congrats on losing all that weight!

Looking at you diet, if you looking to maintain strength/muscle mass I think your protein intake is abit low. I currently weigh about the same as you and just came off a cut. I was eating 200 grams of protein a day, high carbs (+-300grams)/Low fat (+-50grams) on training days and low carb (+-70grams)/high fat (+-100grams) on non training days. This gives bout 2,400 cals on training days and 1,900 on non training days. This worked for me...lost a tiny bit of strength (5kg to 10kgs on main lifts) but bf% dropped from +-18% to 12-13% in just 4 weeks.

You lost 5% bodyfat in 4 weeks?? And you weren't that fat to start off with... Any chance you are using the machine at Virgin Active to measure?

Good point. For all my measurements (except for that first Wednesday one) my measurements for BF and weight are taken first thing, every sunday morning, straight after my morning slash.

areeyeekks wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

areeyeekks wrote:

mike123 wrote: I dont know if there is a question here ?..but clen u dont have to cycle if u use Ketofin /
which u can get over the counter at the chemist...

Yep, mentioned it above as well. Just keep in mind that prolonged use of clen (even with Ketotifin) has been shown to damage your heart

Define prolonged use..

I knew someone was gonna call me on that

Well most clen studies tend to document extremely high (like, ridiculously) dosages on mice, so it doesn't translate to humans. In those trials, "prolonged" is usually accepted to be 15 weeks.

Like you said bro those studies on mice are not credible. Prolonged use in humans while on safe dosages is years on and off. Like Mike says use the Clen for 6 weeks at a time with Ketotifen or Betasleep. Also you taper up your dosages WAY too fast. You are not only wasting Clen but putting yourself through a lot of extra side effects for no reason.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Bruno wrote: First of all, congrats on losing all that weight!

Looking at you diet, if you looking to maintain strength/muscle mass I think your protein intake is abit low. I currently weigh about the same as you and just came off a cut. I was eating 200 grams of protein a day, high carbs (+-300grams)/Low fat (+-50grams) on training days and low carb (+-70grams)/high fat (+-100grams) on non training days. This gives bout 2,400 cals on training days and 1,900 on non training days. This worked for me...lost a tiny bit of strength (5kg to 10kgs on main lifts) but bf% dropped from +-18% to 12-13% in just 4 weeks.

You lost 5% bodyfat in 4 weeks?? And you weren't that fat to start off with... Any chance you are using the machine at Virgin Active to measure?

Lol, no not using the Virgin Active machine. I know that machine is full of crap!

18% measurement was using calipers at Sports Science Institute. 12%-13% is not measured but rather estimate based on the fact that my upper abs are starting to show, I lost about 6 or 7kgs and haven't lost much strength. My "transformation" can be attributed to me taking clen/yohimbine during that period as well as keeping a really clean diet + training like crazy!

Before and after photos or it didn't happen

Don't get us wrong bro we would be ecstatic for you if it's true. It's just a bit hard to believe given the small time frame in which you did it. Open your own thread so we can stop pillaging this one.

Pyroclasm wrote: Don't get us wrong bro we would be ecstatic for you if it's true. It's just a bit hard to believe given the small time frame in which you did it. Open your own thread so we can stop pillaging this one.

No worries. Thread here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...61-my-transformation

Don't know how to upload pics so just changed Avatar instead. Sorry for the bad after pic but took it a few mins ago at work with phone in bathroom

Bruno wrote: Looking at you diet, if you looking to maintain strength/muscle mass I think your protein intake is abit low. I currently weigh about the same as you and just came off a cut. I was eating 200 grams of protein a day, high carbs (+-300grams)/Low fat (+-50grams) on training days and low carb (+-70grams)/high fat (+-100grams) on non training days. This gives bout 2,400 cals on training days and 1,900 on non training days. This worked for me...lost a tiny bit of strength (5kg to 10kgs on main lifts) but bf% dropped from +-18% to 12-13% in just 4 weeks.

The whole 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight is broscience at it's best. There are no peer reviewed studies to support this theory.

Even if I were trying to achieve that, it's 1 gram per lean lb of body mass. Which would mean I would need around 150 grams a day.

That being said, if you look at my diet log I often go over 200g a day. Even though I know it's broscience, old habits die hard.

As for carbs and fats, after my protein is met, IIFYM is all I live by

Edit: Although I do know that high protein is beneficial in preserving lean body mass during calorie deficits, and there are studies supporting this.

Whats the point of this thread again?

Agree with Prog- it seems as if you are trying to teach us and not the other way around. :blink:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Whats the point of this thread again?

Teaching us the 5 wet towel trick

yep die ou gaan ons wys maak ....its 3gram per kg = b/b .. 2gr maintenance ..1gr normal eating

mike123 wrote: yep die ou gaan ons wys maak ....its 3gram per kg = b/b .. 2gr maintenance ..1gr normal eating

I can testify to that!