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I know the feeling, you hit the gym hard! you work your ass off. Others f#ck around and make bigger gains, you know they are using. You are tempted. We have all been there. Definitely in our younger years.
You still have a lot of natural hormones, And everyone would recommend that you use those to its full advantage before trying PEDs. I know in my younger days, my diet was completely wrong. I didnt think so then, but now looking back, it was very sh!t. I could have made better gains, if I spent more time on my nutrition. Too late for me, but not for you. Post your Diet and lets see where you could make some improvements. Hopefully mom is still buying the food :lol:
These things do change your life. One of my good friends cant have any children due to using PED`s from a young age. This now has become priority in his life, and spending a lot of money trying to conceive. His Physique has taken the back seat. Priorities change. Make sure you use for the right reasons / goals. Its a slippery slope!
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Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Pumpseeker Bud try get up to 85kgs this year then start considering basic test only cycles
85kg may be a bit optimistic :lol: I probably could manage it but I would likely start gaining quite a bit of fat. I prefer staying leaner even when "bulking" that's why 80kg lean by December seems more appealing.
I'm probably getting ahead of myself but would a test & primo cycle be a nice first cycle?
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There is a difference in the pics but your frame hides the extra 16kg you picked up. Just looking at the pics I would never have guessed anywhere close to that. Your body will be naturally inclined to cut muscle and not retain. Even on gear I don't know how much you'd be able to pack, but almost sure you'd lose most of your gains during PCT and recovery.
Diet wise, you have to eat a helluva lot more than an equivalent weight endo or mesomorph. Your body burns calories at an alarming rate. You are a little more flexible with junk food, but only slightly. So stay the hell away from cardio, max 20 minutes of HIIT 3 x a week mto retain general fitness.
You really need to post your diet as well. I'm almost sure you're eating too little and incorrectlyand by tweaking a few things you can maximise your genetic potential. To build muscle you need to eat 500-1000 more calories than maintenance, in your case I would hedge a bet that it will be closer to 1500 calories over maintenance. You are going to hate food because you'll be eating the whole time, literally.
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+1 meneer.
Just a question. A guy with a fast metabolism like Pumpseeker would slow digesting foods like wholegrain pasta and brown rice, oats and butter nut be better to consume for them due to the slower but sustained time to digest?
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Cyclo wrote: Pumpseeker, from what I can see you're an ectomorph. When it comes to packing on weight, well, you're basically running in the Olympic 100m finals, but you're starting at 200m.
There is a difference in the pics but your frame hides the extra 16kg you picked up. Just looking at the pics I would never have guessed anywhere close to that. Your body will be naturally inclined to cut muscle and not retain. Even on gear I don't know how much you'd be able to pack, but almost sure you'd lose most of your gains during PCT and recovery.
Diet wise, you have to eat a helluva lot more than an equivalent weight endo or mesomorph. Your body burns calories at an alarming rate. You are a little more flexible with junk food, but only slightly. So stay the hell away from cardio, max 20 minutes of HIIT 3 x a week mto retain general fitness.
You really need to post your diet as well. I'm almost sure you're eating too little and incorrectlyand by tweaking a few things you can maximise your genetic potential. To build muscle you need to eat 500-1000 more calories than maintenance, in your case I would hedge a bet that it will be closer to 1500 calories over maintenance. You are going to hate food because you'll be eating the whole time, literally.
Hey Cyclo,
I know my appearance would suggest I'm a natural ectomorph but couldn't that just be due to the fact that I choose to remain lean? Because when i was younger I was actually quite mesomorphic. I can post my diet but I know that if I'm wanting to gain weight then I simply need to eat MORE that currently. Cause i managed to gain 16kgs successfully (not trying so say I know everything :lol: )
And with regards to cardio, yeah I only do once a week for 15/20 minutes.
PS: Cream of Rice is my best friend lol :lol:
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Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Very good advice Cyclo.
+1 meneer.
Just a question. A guy with a fast metabolism like Pumpseeker would slow digesting foods like wholegrain pasta and brown rice, oats and butter nut be better to consume for them due to the slower but sustained time to digest?
THat's a bit above my paygrade, but as I understand, once the calories are in they just get burnt up. Slow or fast digesting doesn't matter. But that is I understand it.
The technicalities, and for an ecto, timing and composition of nutrition is super critical. I'm an endomorph, we put on muscle (or at least I used to, hahah) super quickly. Unfortunately, also put on fat even quicker. I remeber reading an article where some guru stated that endo are the ideal for bodybuilding but have to watch their diet to limit fat.
Meso's burn fat fast but don't put on muscle quite as quick as endo's.
But I'm nowhere near clued up enough about that.
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Hey Cyclo,
I know my appearance would suggest I'm a natural ectomorph but couldn't that just be due to the fact that I choose to remain lean? Because when i was younger I was actually quite mesomorphic. I can post my diet but I know that if I'm wanting to gain weight then I simply need to eat MORE that currently. Cause i managed to gain 16kgs successfully (not trying so say I know everything :lol: )
And with regards to cardio, yeah I only do once a week for 15/20 minutes.
PS: Cream of Rice is my best friend lol :lol:
You're 6' and 71kg AFTER picking up 16kg. That's as ecto as you get. It means you were 55kg before. That's just cock and bone.
Your traps and lats for example are underdeveloped. Endo's are normally stocky whilst meso's are muscular. The difference is we have naturally developed lats and traps which gives that "V" taper.
Just looking at your photos again, are those really a year apart? You're wearing the same shorts. You didn't post the same time frame pics by mistake? That's why I said your frame hides that 16kg.
You'can see your bodyfat % is under 10, another ecto trait. Meso's require intense effort to stay under 10% and us endo's... well, you cannot blink and somehow your body's found fat to store. I swear we absorb it from fat people even.
In perspective, 16kg is a smallish sized lamb's carcass, now that includes, by mass, approx 60% bone and fat. I'm assuming you've stopped growing, so the 16kg was all muscle. Take 16kg of meat and "pack it on yourself... that's a helluva lot of meat.
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Just double checked the dates and they are a year apart except the back shot is older. When I do a back double-bi my lats don't spread properly cause I'm tensing my rhombiods etc so hard :lol: . Yeah I see what you mean regarding being ectomorphic.
I did actually get a bit taller so that 16kg would have also been bone growth as well.
"Just Cock and bone" :lol:
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Appreciate the gestures though.
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But MK 677 and GW 501516 you can run
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Sorry if I come off sounding like a lost puppy when it comes to this decision. I'm going to likely just follow yours and Furk's advise to see what I can achieve naturally and if I'm still hungry later on then start. It just gets very frustrating at times... Will delve into some research of MK and GW but aren't those just endurance enhancers?
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GW is going to improve endurance yes but also nutrition partitioning I think stacking those two are going to benefit you tremendously but like I said cycle each of them on their own first for decent length and then after a solo run on each stack them
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Rooi Bul 86 wrote: MK 677 increases your Natural Growth Hormone and IGF-1 so you will recover faster. Look into the benefits of that
GW is going to improve endurance yes but also nutrition partitioning I think stacking those two are going to benefit you tremendously but like I said cycle each of them on their own first for decent length and then after a solo run on each stack them
The GW is sounding appealing from what I read as it could help with nutrient partitioning to ensure the calorie surplus is used to build muscle. I'm not sure about the MK 677 because elevated IGF1 may lead to organ growth which, in Men's Physique, is a definite no no.
What are your thoughts on Rad 140?
www.evolutionary.org/rad140-testolone
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Don't touch it. Rather look into MK677 more in detail...
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Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Rad does suppress search Guinea Pig's RAD log he did post bloods.
Don't touch it. Rather look into MK677 more in detail...
It's amazing how misleading some sites can be... They mention multiple times that it's not suppressive :dry:
Will reconsider the MK 677, but the GW also looks good and from what I've gathered, doesn't require a PCT (not suppressive).
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Just don't confuse MK677 wit Ostsrine MK2866
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Are both only made by LP?
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Me and Fiance are also going to start back up on it and stay on as long as we can afford it...
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Will try the MK 677 first then GW after like 8-12 weeks.
MK 677 will be best at 15mg ED? (Pre bed)
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