Fatigue and depression

Tmuscle
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18 Jan 2016 16:20 #195274 by Tmuscle

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HI Guys

Any advice would be appreciated I am in week 3 of Cycle
Tbol 60mg ed
Deca 900mg per week last week of front load
Proviron 25mg ed
Testoviron 250mg per week

Have hit a brick wall and am constantly tired and feeling depressed.

My training has suffered the last week and seem to lack the motivation and desire to hit the gym.

Could any of the above mentioned compounds be contributing to this

Weight went up in 2nd week from 81,5 kgs to 85 kg's body fat increase by 1 %

Weighed myself this morning and dropped back to 82kgs

Have one more pin of the Deca fronload left for this week Wednesday.

Thereafter its 450mg per week for another 12 weeks

In week 7 I will be adding 60mg Anavar ed and 150mg Masteron 3 x per week.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Oupa
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18 Jan 2016 16:37 #195275 by Oupa

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What's your cabaser dose at?

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Tmuscle
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18 Jan 2016 20:21 #195281 by Tmuscle

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0.5 e5d

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Pyroclasm
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18 Jan 2016 21:22 #195287 by Pyroclasm

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Any chance you picked up a bug from someone at the office?

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Oupa
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18 Jan 2016 21:24 #195290 by Oupa

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Tmuscle wrote: 0.5 e5d

And your estrogen maintainer? what's your dose of what chemical?

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Tmuscle
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19 Jan 2016 03:14 #195315 by Tmuscle

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Not sure about any bug and no estrogen maintainer test is low at only 250mg per week had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314 all other values ie rbc and liver enzymes were within normal ranges only kidney values creatinine and urea were a bit on the high side but doc said nothing to stress about blood pressure was spot on

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PsyCLown
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19 Jan 2016 12:38 #195343 by PsyCLown

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Tmuscle wrote: Not sure about any bug and no estrogen maintainer test is low at only 250mg per week had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314 all other values ie rbc and liver enzymes were within normal ranges only kidney values creatinine and urea were a bit on the high side but doc said nothing to stress about blood pressure was spot on

I might be very wrong, so wait for one of the more knowledgeable members to comment as well before taking my word for it.

However since your kidneys and livers weren't as healthy, is it not possible that taking orals is putting strain on them and therefore your body is not able to remove as much toxins from your body as it should and therefore you are feeling the way you are?

A cycle support - or liver and/or kidney support might help in this regard.

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Oupa
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19 Jan 2016 13:13 - 19 Jan 2016 13:13 #195347 by Oupa

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Tmuscle wrote: had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314

Your bloods were good BEFORE your cycle. There is no way that your estrogen, estradiol or test levels are where they should be.

Your sides are a sign of your body's imbalance with hormones.

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Tmuscle
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19 Jan 2016 13:27 #195350 by Tmuscle

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Thanks Oupa

Any suggestions on what to do-
Don't want to abandon the cycle but if must be I will.
Will revert to TRT dose of Test if necessary.

Had an ok session this morning and energy levels are better today.

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Oupa
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19 Jan 2016 13:53 #195351 by Oupa

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Before we change or add to the cycle, is your diet good and are you getting enough carbs & calories?

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Tmuscle
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19 Jan 2016 14:16 #195353 by Tmuscle

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Diet is clean
Lots of chicken breasts
Brown Rice
Lean beef
Oats
Sweet potatoe
Whey protein

Plus Minus 3500 calories per day
Split into 5 meals per day
Am also following FST-7 training protocol as advised by Pyro in November last year.

I have a cheat meal once per week-anything I want (pizza /burger and fries etc)

I use pre workout at the moment ON gold
Intra Bcaa Plus vitargo or waxy maize.

Also take liver support /slow mag /vit c and multivitamin daily

My post workout shake is the most calories per meal per day at about 650Kcal

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Oupa
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19 Jan 2016 14:47 - 19 Jan 2016 14:48 #195354 by Oupa

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Looks solid.

What I would do before I start playing with other chemicals

1. Drop the deca dose to normal (450mg)
2. Increase Proviron to 50mg ED

- check sides after a week, if still shit add the following.

3. Add 20mg aromasin E3D or get LP Adex and use 5 drops EOD
2. Increase cabaser to E3D

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Tmuscle
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19 Jan 2016 15:41 #195356 by Tmuscle

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Thanks Oupa

Will give it a bash

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Muscleaddict
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19 Jan 2016 19:15 #195362 by Muscleaddict

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Deca is renowned for making one feel down in the dumps. It's like it takes that gratification feeling away. Animal studies have indicated that nandrolone reduces dopamine receptor concentration in the brain. Dopamine is your 'happy juice' so it all makes sense. I notice it even from 300mg odd per week.

Cabaser, being a dopamine agonist helps to reverse the problem but you need a lot to be effective when you're on 900mg/week. Good suggestion by Oupa. I would suggest 0.5mg cabaser twice a week at 450mg deca though.

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Tmuscle
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20 Jan 2016 15:26 #195417 by Tmuscle

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Seems like the Deca is the problem did a pin today and feel fatigued and depressed all over again after yesterday was a better day.

Thinking about dropping the deca and running equi again.

Advise please guys.

Although the deca 3 week front load is now over should I stick it out and see if things improve when im onto only 450mg deca per week.

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Oupa
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20 Jan 2016 15:29 #195418 by Oupa

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I would hang in there and up the cabaser usage

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Eidolon
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20 Jan 2016 15:42 #195420 by Eidolon

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Get bloods done. Else you're just stabbing in the dark.

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Tmuscle
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22 Jan 2016 19:12 #195575 by Tmuscle

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Update massive hernia left side of abdomen where it's been repaired twice before seeing surgeon Saturday morning hope colon hasn't ruptured again

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Tmuscle
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23 Jan 2016 17:59 #195611 by Tmuscle

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And so everything comes to a grinding halt hernia surgery scheduled for 2nd February some advice needed I am going to continue with trt test dose would it be ok to use 10mg anavar ed plus 25mg proviron ed to stay anabolic during the 6 week healing process big problem is I have dropped 3 kg this week no training and no apetite either my tainting is directly linked to how I cope with my depression all advice and opinions welcome please help a bro out guys

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Pyroclasm
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23 Jan 2016 18:28 #195612 by Pyroclasm

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What chronic meds are you using?

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Tmuscle
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23 Jan 2016 20:10 #195614 by Tmuscle

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Zoxadon truvalin and lexamil can't believe this has happened again

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Muscleaddict
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23 Jan 2016 21:14 - 23 Jan 2016 21:14 #195615 by Muscleaddict

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Tmuscle wrote: Zoxadon truvalin and lexamil can't believe this has happened again

I would switch to to EQ. Those meds will worsen deca's effect on prolactin, and messing with depression when you're on those meds is not a good idea in my opinion. Maybe a very low dose of deca with cabaser along with EQ.

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Pyroclasm
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23 Jan 2016 21:34 #195617 by Pyroclasm

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For sure run Nandrolone during your recovery period you will not believe how quickly you heal. Can't switch to EQ now as EQ will take very long to be at good blood plasma concentrations. He only has 1.5 weeks.

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Pyroclasm
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23 Jan 2016 21:46 #195618 by Pyroclasm

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I take it from those meds you are bipolar. At least your GP/psychiatrist gave you some decent stuff which should help a lot. What I will suggest you take for the next 6 weeks is a long-acting Benzo like Clobazam or Klonazepam. It will just help to take the edge of and make you calm happy. Unless of course you have a history of drug abuse then the benzo's are a bad idea. Interesting that you do not take sleeping tablets as most people in a similar case struggle to sleep.

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23 Jan 2016 22:29 #195621 by lobo

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Tmuscle any idea what specifically is causing the hernia to keep happening perhaps certain exercises?

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