Anavar cycle

Hi Guys,

first off awesome site here!!

have been reading for quite a while on this site as well as others. haven't posted on any site as yet and decided to use this one since local is lekker :lol:
best to use advice from guys in the same country, using the same products under mostly the same conditions (in terms of food quality, gear quality, climate, etc)

Bit of history, i stumbled upon anavar for the fiance in October last year. She wanted a bit of a kick to get the abs showing (we all know how stubborn it is even with our clean eating). she was advised that anavar will do the trick and after doing some research asked me where she could get some

i am fortunate in a sense that i don't have to pay for any of the gear that i want and proceeded to get her some anavar. hit up my guy and he delivered it the same day.
he arrived with British Dragon 20mg tabs. gave me 2 bottles containing 50 tabs each as well as some nolva and clomid.

at this point i realised i don't know what she is putting in her body.
i started doing some reading and on the first link realised that 20mg is too much. quickly canned the idea and spoke to my guy about this. he mentioned he thought it was for me and within a hour came to our rescue with some LP anavar for her as well as some advice and helped her out with her cycle. i let them be and eventually she started and had some great results... aka her 6 pack appeared

Anyway... while they were busy with her cycle i realised i still have the BD products
at this point i considered using it.(think it was around end Dec 2015)
From that point on i was reading and researching and asking my guy as well as other friends more and more questions. most guys are like the forums and recommend test lol.
So i read and researched and read some more only to eventually consider using test.

Still considering test i also realised that guys really pack on a bit of weight using test which would not really work for me since i do quite a few marathons and i am more into boxing and mma. this put me off test quite a bit and i decided that i was not ready

During my reading i eventually saw that alot of people warn about var being faked and laced with other compounds (with Winny and Dianabol being common). On this site specifically i saw a lady being advised to stick to another brand instead (which i totally agreed with even with my lack of experience)

So last week, almost a year later i opened my cupboard to get dressed only to see the BD anavar staring me in the face as if to say "you are ready"

At this point i have gone back and forth on the idea of using the anavar which could possibly be Winny/Dianabol. I thought i wouldn't suffer as much as my gf would have.
the strength gains and minimal size increase wouldn't be perfect since i am more for the strength gains than the size. if it is dianabol in there the size will decrease once the excess water leaves my body?

Spoke to my mma coach and he said it's cool if i want since i am not one of his fighters and just using the training for personal fitness.
Same goes for the marathons, i run for the enjoyment as opposed to the competition.

Now comes the time for the cycle.

i have decided on the following:

week 1 - 4 @ 40mg (split 20x2 - morning and afternoon/early evening)
week 4-6 @ 60mg (split 20mg x3 - morning, afternoon and night)
if there are any increase in sides that i cannot deal with, i will go back to 40mg and possibly extend another week to finish all the anavar.

PCT:
week 7 clomid @ 50mg
week 8 -11 nolva @ 20mg

Considering that there is a possibility of dianabol being in the tabs i have decided to have aromasin on hand in case any gyno sides appear. if it does not get used i can just pass them back to my buddy

On to my stats, 29 yrs old weighing 89kg with 17% body fat.
goals are to increase strength and appreciate any fat loss included with the cycle

like i mentioned we eat relatively clean. protein will come mostly from eggs, chicken breasts, ostrich steaks, tuna and whey.
Carbs will come mostly from vegetables, oats and pasta (pasta on days when i run 15km+ - normally once a week)

Meals:
1 - oats with protein powder
2 - 4 eggs with tomato, cucumber, lettuce (different veggies)
3 - protein shake and normally nuts/ostrich biltong
4 - 2x chicken breast with brocolli, sweet potato, carrots, lettuce, spinach (range of veggies)
5 - protein shake
6 - ostrick steaks with normally same veggies as lunch
some evenings i have another shake or snack on biltong (depends if i feel hungry)
i did not add the fruits i eat, normally take a banana and apple along to work, eat these anytime throughout the day. sometimes the banana does not even make it out of the car

this is generally what i have to eat with chicken and ostrich being had for lunch/supper everday. sometimes i grab a can of tuna to take to work for lunch and eat that with some honey and oats bread and tomato, lettuce, avo (this option normally depends on what they have available at work cafeteria)
regarding my eggs, should i have 3 egg whites and one whole egg instead since i read that anavar affects cholestorol?

i drink plenty water every day, probably around 4 litres a day (if not more)

Training:
- Monday and Wednesday is MMA and we never use any weights for this.
- tues, thur and fri is my weight sessions at the gym
back and shoulders, chest and arms, legs on a friday because MMA noramlly kills the legs
- saturdays and sundays i noramlly do a long run (15km+)

running happens every tuesday and friday morning. run +-10km

other activities i did not include is taking the dogs out. they do their training as well and i have to take 2 of them out for about 45 mins each every 2nd day. other days they train at home on the mill and saturdays weight training at a buddies place

So yeah, that's my story.

All advice and comments are welcome

thanks
Saddam

just one other thing.

I do have little cheats. I am a sucker for dark chocolate! I buy a slab of lindt and spread it out over 2 weeks for myself and the lady.

Other weakness is carrot cake. I prefer home made foods so i don't always get to have it, but when the Mrs makes it i have a slice a day until it's done. i try to time it for pre/post workout in the hopes that it would be burnt quickly

I also did not mention that i have creating before and after training everyday.
Multivitamins being my other supplement.

As mentioned before, all comments and advice welcome be it good or bad. It's the reason my post is on this site.

Thanks
H

Get your body fat under 15%. Look at the Anavar and Proviron cycle in the sample cycles. Stick with 60mg Anavar and 40/50mg Proviron depending on what brand Proviron you get and what dose per tablet or capsules.

thanks for the advice Rooi bul.

I have read most people saying 60/80mg anavar is the sweet spot, i have also picked up it is mostly from people who expected alot more increase in size?

right now my focus is not really on size, but more on strength increase. howver, more anavar also means more strength which is the reason i decided to increase to to 60mg for the last 2 weeks.

Besides that though, the real reason i want to stay low is to ensure it is in fact anavar and not a dianabol mix. don't think i would want to be going with 60mg dianabol when most people are recommending it at 40mg (and some less). if i am happy within 2 weeks i will up to 60mg

In future if i feel the need to do another cycle (most people and site's say i will want to due to the results), then i will consider doing another anavar cycle at 60mg. This will probably be a 2017 thing if i do go through with it.

On the proviron bit, i think i will stick to one compound at a time for now. Will also need to see my body's reaction to the hormonal changes before going crazy.

One of the guys i spoke to about anavar went overboard and recommended sust, deca and dbol as a first cycle... i don't think it's hard to figure out what i told him with that advice lol

oh yes, as for the bodyfat, will go for 15% if thats necessary. i am sure cutting some calories can get me there in good time

i am still confused after reading this twice.

Even 15% body fat is too high to do a steroid cycle in my opinion. If you can't get to reasonably low body fat without steroids, there is zero chance of staying in shape after your cycle. You will get results, but will be unsatisfied. You most definitely won't start at 15% at the beginning of an anavar cycle and end the cycle with a 6pack.

Do yourself a favour and train for a while longer and get your diet right so you can start your cycle at around 12% bf. Then you will be able to get to 10% and see the cuts and definition in your newly acquired muscles.

I don't really know BD as a brand, but judging by the results your girl got with lp anavar you might as well just buy some lp anavar 20mg and have peace of mind regarding the contents. If it is winny eh, I'm sure you'll notice ie joint pain especially since you do marathons and mma.

Alternatively, you could buy a testing kit I suppose

Though your diet looks good though, you should be able to drop some bf with the mma and running marathons no?

Oupa wrote: i am still confused after reading this twice.

Let me know where the confusion is at and i will clarify anything that needs clarification

I do realize i was all over the place with my post. i really sucking at putting words down... i guess that's why i'm a numbers guy

Muscleaddict wrote: Even 15% body fat is too high to do a steroid cycle in my opinion. If you can't get to reasonably low body fat without steroids, there is zero chance of staying in shape after your cycle. You will get results, but will be unsatisfied. You most definitely won't start at 15% at the beginning of an anavar cycle and end the cycle with a 6pack.

Do yourself a favour and train for a while longer and get your diet right so you can start your cycle at around 12% bf. Then you will be able to get to 10% and see the cuts and definition in your newly acquired muscles.

I am not really too bothered with the 6 pack. i am more after the strength gains, any fat loss is a bonus to me.

as for the fat loss, i am pretty sure i can easily drop it some more, i think i just need to cut down on some meals and it will drop.
i have never done this as i believe the extra fat on my body is what carries me through and gives me the extra energy on a 21km marathon. I am quite a bit bigger than most runners and don't have their lightweight advantage

same goes for the mma, i believe it helps me last a bit longer. my brother is a personal trainer and a boxer. i think he was at 8% body fat in his last fight. however he doesn't last as long as i do in the ring, i strongly believe this is because he has very little fat/energy stored. all adding to the reason i don't allow myself to feel hungry at all.

Please note these are my opinions and nothing stated as facts. all criticism is welcome

DruOmedra wrote: I don't really know BD as a brand, but judging by the results your girl got with lp anavar you might as well just buy some lp anavar 20mg and have peace of mind regarding the contents. If it is winny eh, I'm sure you'll notice ie joint pain especially since you do marathons and mma.

Alternatively, you could buy a testing kit I suppose

Though your diet looks good though, you should be able to drop some bf with the mma and running marathons no?

My buddy swears by it and assures me has personally seen results from it. my opinion is all based on what i have found on the net. Nobody has confirmed for sure that BD is laced with other products, however nobody has confirmed for sure that it is pure anavar either.
the only assurance i got about BD anavar is word of mouth from a handful of guys, most others badmouth despite not having personal experience with it.
the guys who gave good reviews have personally used it and are not random guys in a gym, they are people i know and trust.

She got good results all based on us trusting my buddy, hence me being so trusting with the BD. I also don't have to pay for anything, so i would not want to go about wasting his time and money by running him up and down after he has assured me it's good stuff and proved himself by getting good results for her.

I do however understand your concerns if is Winny. If the joint pains occur i would have to cut the cycle short and opt for another brand of anavar thereafter.

Thanks guys for all the advice, this is the reason i have posted here in the first place. i really appreciate it.

just to recap, oupa has some good advice/criticism coming my way once i can post clearly.

Muscle addict recommends bodyfat go down to 12% before starting the cycle

Dru had some great points about Winny affecting my performance.


@Muscle Addict, i see you mentioned "diet right". Any tips on where you see it going wrong? areas i can look into?
remember what i mentioned above is what we generally eat at home. Freezer filled with chicken and ostrich

Never mind Muscle Addict, i just went into the eating/diet section of the forum. Seems like i have focused so much on the steroid i just bypassed the eating bits.

thanks again for pointing that out

HI Hoosin


What's your height?
You seem like a fit guy. Did a doctor or someone professional confirm your BF?

Hi Ben,

1.78m
I do consider myself quite fit. the BF i got from the machine at virgin active. not sure how accurate those are, but that's the only place i have ever checked it

We should have another wellness day coming up at work in the next few weeks. Will see what the discovery clinic says regarding BF. have never done it with them previously though

Your BF of 17% seems legit after knowing your height.
With your diet and lifestyle, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to drop that percentage.

BF is not about the 6 pack. If your BF is low, the better the steroid will work, in turn you will see greater
Gains in strength and muscle mass. That's what the guys are implying.

BEN3 wrote: Your BF of 17% seems legit after knowing your height.
With your diet and lifestyle, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to drop that percentage.

BF is not about the 6 pack. If your BF is low, the better the steroid will work, in turn you will see greater
Gains in strength and muscle mass. That's what the guys are implying.

As mentioned i think i can drop that easily. Have done it before when prepping for a fight without going to the same extremes as my brother.

Noted on the effectiveness of the anavar with lower bodyfat percentage.
I was assuming this would not be a huge issue with my bodyfat since quite a few other sites have mentioned 18% and lower is good for anavar. Alot of people on other sites report the strength gains and struggle with fat loss and size increase at the higher bodyfat percentage. I thought it wouldn't be a big issue since i am only worried about the strength... i see now my thinking was incorrect.

As previously mentioned, i am hear to learn more and noting everything that needs to be done.

thanks again for the feedback.

I did a lot of research into steroids. As you can see, I'm also new to this site. Been reading for a while but joined recently.
A lot of information with steroid use became much clearer to me after using and partaking in this site.

The articles and advice is solid.
I now stay away from international sites as the info is always mixed and leaves you feeling very confused.
As for the forums, that's even worse. Everybody is not the same, and you don't know the person behind the name or they history, health, diet etc.

Personally I just feel good and more confident about using since using this site. I got no affiliation to this site, just advice from a beginner. Hope all goes well for you

that's exactly why i opted for this site. so many differences between international and local. It only makes sense to join a local site

i have also been reading for a while, but never really interacted with any site/forum/group except for a few guys whom i know. It has now come to a point where i need to get all my ducks in a row if i plan on starting a cycle. this thread has shown me how far off i am and that alot of prep work is still needed.

IMO, hardest will be changing eating habits and making it my new eating lifestyle. Hopefully within a month it will be like 2nd nature and i will be one step closer.

I see all the comments were on my bodyfat and diet, leads me to believe that my training is fine and the cycle dosage and PCT shouldn't be an issue?

Just a little update, spoke to the lady and my buddy about the anavar. Both suggested i take the LP if it's going to make me more comfortable.
I told him to hold onto it for me until i get my BF and diet in check. That way i won't be tempted to take it after looking at it in the cupboard everyday.

A colleague of mine decided he would like to give the BD Anavar a try so i'm handing it over to him for a small fee so that my supplier doesn't lose out.
I have directed my colleague to this site and he will probably be registering here sometime soon.

Thanks again for all the responses before i did something silly and started a cycle.

Next stop is the diet section. Get in as much as possible to amend/fix my eating habits.

You sound like a BD promoter to me

hahaha... doubt i would be giving them away and changing brand if i were.

Well man, you sound motivated truly, so I'm sure you'll be fine with your journey down this path.

Currently on 60mg daily LP var 20mg. No issues. Good stuff

DruOmedra wrote: Well man, you sound motivated truly, so I'm sure you'll be fine with your journey down this path.

Thanks for the kind words pal. Looking forward to the time for it to start.
Did some more thinking and decide i will try and go the beginner cycle route with the proviron when i do eventually start.

Just some advice on proviron, any recommended brand? Or do i just ask for LP there as well?