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Hallo Need some help with alot off things
have been using roids but are earing alot of diff things
are 101KG with 17% bady fat 29 years old
need to go on a diet any suggestions and need to set up a training course

what juice should i go with please any help

hi there...you say that you have been using roids......what were you using and at what doses?is your aim just to lose weight or to build or define aswell?have you checked out roid profiles and thought of one that could be suited to you?and last and most important...do you know the risks involved?

now its up 2 the big boys hehe.

Check out the thread on nutrition, better advice you will not get on a diet etc. As for the training plan, it depends on your goals etc and the most popular one around is Max-OT at the mo, but again, training is done around goals so define those. If you have been doing juice for a while pls let us know what compounds you been on and dosages as well as duration and PCT compounds too. First try and get the foundation right so your base is strong if you going to do juice again and this will also help with getting the most out of your cycles as well as keeping your hard earned gains. Have you had blood work done to see in what condition your body is? This might sound over the top, but it's always nice to check now and again and make the necessary changes if needed.

hallo my goal is to loose some flab over my stomuck when i started i was
106kg with 26% body fat 3 months ago have dropped to 101 175 and on my way down
are currently on decca winny and clenbuterol and currentlu im trying that MAX OT the
reason i started with this site is my friend got hold of decca 350 and have been
trying for 2 weeks to order they gave me the way how to but didnt give me the address

I would rather stack Equi with winny, the deca at 350 is high dosages and generally used as a mass drug, not lean muscle, but diet and keeping the water in check could also be done. Deca with winny is also used to help with the joint pain from the winny, but at a low dose and more for the lubrication in joints than the gains part. What are your dosages now?

hallo thanks for all your help
are currently on decca 300 p/w and winny
have harden alot
would i be able to use the decca and the equi together and how mutch
have you bought over the post before have had istructions how to
but no address to post it to heard their equi are good and its good priced

Trevor where you from dude?

Equipoise is a very nice compound, the gains are more quality than quantity and has a long acting ester as well, so weekly injections are ok. What makes it intersting is that it promotes lean muscle, but on the other hand gives you a mean appetite. So this compound has a place in a lean mass stack as well as a bulking cycle and is as good in either. I would rahter use the equi and winny as my base components and deca at a low dose to help your joints a little. You can also front load with var if you like, but you have to train longer dude. You starting too soon with gear, 3 months and on juice already, not wise. You probably still sorting your form out and all that and your body is still adjusting to the new movement types and load as well, but hey, it's your body in the end.

HALLO HAVE BEEN GYMMING FOR 2 YEARS I STAY IN ALBERTON JHB

Netro is right about the increase in appetite on equi -ask any equi user and that can be a problem when fat loss is your primary goal.Now you say you weigh 101kg's with bodyfat at 17% so roughly you're stil going to want to loose between 7-9kg's (I'm taking for granted you want a set of visible abs and thats only going to start to happen from around 10-11% bodyfat)
7-9kg's is still a lot of fat to loose so taking for granted your diet and training are correct I would recommend - HGH 2-3iu's/day for 10-12 weeks - Winstrol(oral)20-25mg 2x/day(for the 1st 4 weeks moving on to - Anavar 15-20mg 2x/day for the next 4 weeks also start with Clenbuterol for 2 weeks (start 2mcg working up to 6mcgs)then on to ECA stack for 2 weeks(working up to 3caps/day) and cycle the clen and ECA(every 2weeks)for 6-8 weeks the reason for alternating these 2 products is to avoid the receptor downgrade that occurs rapidly with these products leading to higher dosages required.(there will but a need for short PCT at the end of the Anavar - 500ius pregnyl 3x during the last week of the Anavar and 3-4days after last Anavar dose start Kessar at 20mg/day for 21 days you will find little loss of muscle during PCT while still on the HGH )some may disagree with me but let me tell you i have had a 100% success rate with every person who has used this protocol,hope this helps

that sounds great have clen, winstrol, anavar, would wanna buy the hgh from PGW but have been trying for 2 weeks to get their address from them to send money to them feels like they dont wanna give it
do you know where i can go look for a descent diet or do you have a sample
ive always been a drinker have given it up for gymming so wanna go big this year

Just some of my thoughts:
- will not use Deca without ANY testosterone base, preferably testo-prop. As little as 100mg Deca will suppress your HPTA within one week and will keep it suppressed at least another 2 weeks after the last deca shot. Good idea to continue Test-prop for another 2 weeks after last deca to support your testosterone levels.

- would use the HGH at higher doses, say 2IU's 3 x p day, but cycle it 3 days on, 4 days off. By doing this, you are mimicking your normal Circadian pulse release of HGH, thus not receptor down regulating and not suppressing HP-GRnH axis. On the non-HGH days, use 10-15gr L-Arginine twice daily and 5gr GABA before bed, BUT do not use this the days of your HGH use. Total HGH IU's over this period should more or less be the same.

- Equi is a good drug, being a testosterone derivative with very little estrogen aromatizing - so, you will not use Kessar with it. You do not want to suppress your estrogen levels too much, as the estrogen stimulates the liver to have IGF-1 production, which you still want while on the HGH. If you are going to continue to use the Deca, consider adding in some low dose Parlodel, but no more than 2,5mg per day . Many studies show that at this dose, it is strong enough to counteract the progesteronic effect of the Deca, without having any suppressive effect on HGH levels, and it will push up your libido too.

- I would add on some 2-3mg Ketotifen the moment you start with your Clen/ECA stack, as this will reverse the receptor down regulation by the latter two compounds. By doing this, you can continue very long with the Clen/ECA stack without having to increase the dosage. By continuing longer with this combination, you will be able to anabolic support your gains, leading to solidifying them, as well as rehablitation of your Thyroid.

Conan, your Winstrol and Anavar is an excellent choice. I just think, depending on the dosage and length of his Deca course (remember as little as 100mg needed to suppress HPTA and he is using 350mg p week) he might need a bit more HCG. I never knew Deca can be so suppressive of your natural test level - I was astonished to read about it's strong suppressive effects a while back. Made me look at Deca with other eyes.

Doc you know I found out the hard way long time ago about Deca(in the early 90's Deca was normally the first steroid you heard about and was recommended to a first timer)Without knowing better I took 200mg/week for 6 weeks and used 1500iu pregnyl 3 x/week for 2 weeks after the last deca shot and for 1 or 2 weeks after that I was ok... and then came the greatest loss of libido in the history of my whole family's exsistence -Miss Universe could have walked into my lounge stark naked begging for hard sex and all I would have done is ask her to move out of the way of the TV - gave new meaning to the term 'zero intrest' and this went on for months along with depression and a hyper-frustrated insecure girlfriend this all culminated in a visit to the Doctor then the endocrinologist who sorted the problem out.The thing is that as time has gone on I have found that many of the users I speak to have had a similar experience when using Deca on its own.I'm not saying that everyone who uses Deca will suffer the same fate and Deca does have its place(relief of painfull joints ,post surgery recovery ect)but people need to be aware of these sides and I do believe if you're going to use Deca run (even a low dose)test with it and continue the test for 2-3 weeks after the last Deca shot as well as using pregnyl through-out the course and follow a comprehensive PCT

yes are looking at this course sounds like it can work emailed PGW to get hold of the HGH are battleling to get it arount here nobody keeps it
will see what he says havent had any luck for 2 weeks to get direction on how to order
can i just start with the GHG or would i have to take pregnyl before i start

Conan, had the same problem here. Used Deca 4-5 yrs back last. Planning to use it later this year. This is what I'm going to do to decrease its side effects:
- use Parlodel 2,5mg daily with it.
- use 0,5mg Arimidex with it - this will stop estrogen sides from the test I run along with Deca, and Arimidex will also increase natural test production by about 50%.
- will use 50mg Clomid every day of the Deca cycle.
- Will use 500IU's HCG weekly along with the Deca.
- Will finish off the Deca cycle, followed by Tren at 150mg every 4 days for three shots.

My Deca cycle is (believe it or not !) only 10 days. It will stay in the system for 1/2 life of another 16 days after the last shot - here the Tren will carry androgen part of cycle through. I have decided to use very short, regular interval cycles later this year and use my phases in accordance to my cortisol blood levels. I have found that on any basic cycle, cortisol even things out by 4-5 weeks into cycle - then usually you stop gaining further. Why then stay on for another 6 weeks.? Go off and rather go on again in 6 weeks...

Will see how it goes...

Personally I don't like Deca, I prefer NPP and other short esters...

Doctari, I share your view on the short/quick cycles... that's why I like to use the faster acting esters. I used to like 10-12 week cycles, but the gains to the end wasn't worth all the money spend on anabolics/PCT and then you get shutdown even more.

MxT once said that he would rather gain 4kg with a short cycle and keep it all than gaining 8kg just to loose most of it.

I have "designed my "new" cycle for this year. It consists of different phases, including PCT, all put together into one cycle every 60 days. These I will be able to continue repeatedly without any lay-off period inbetween. The max AAS usage is limited to only 28 days.

Doc are you suffering with painfull joints?I feel the same way about Deca as Admin does but I must admit there are a lot of people who find Deca very effective for size while keeping fairly lean and as far as joint pain relief goes- Deca is clearly the winner out of all the anabolics.Doc if you are going to be using HGH with this course I dont have to tell you that Bromocriptine will render the HGH almost useless and maybe Proviron might be a better alternative if using HGH(I must tell you that Bromocriptine has always helped me as far as sex drive is concerned and would not take Deca without it)

CONAN
SOUNDS LIKE YOUVE BEEN HAVING SOME PROBLEMS IN THAT DEPARTMENT
HAVE MADE A FEW PHONE CALLS BUT NO ONE CAN GET HOLD OF HGH HAVE TRIED TO ORDER
FROM PGW BUT NO LUCK.
IF I CONTINUE WITH THE DECCA HOW MUST I GO BOUT IT WHAT MUST I MIX WITH IT AND AT WHAT
CYCLES. (THIS IS MY SECOND CHOICE)

Hallo Conan
are busy getting the HGH how must i begin you said 2-3ius per day so is it 2 or 3 and for how long how must i take it

some problems?? I'm paranoid about that where Deca is concerned -give me a little test and proviron and after one day my girlfriend looks like shes been riding a horse for a month!!

nothing wrong with that
please explain step by step how i must handle the course are getting all together but dont understand what to take when
and what to swop out with each other

firstly I'm taking for granted you will be eating correctly and very important drinking at least 5 litres of water per day(separate from protien shakes and tea and cofee)

Winstrol(oral) 20mg taken 2x/day Weeks 1-4
Anavar(PGW-only real one)15mg taken 2x/day Weeks 5-8
Clenbuterol(2wk's on 2wk's off)alternated with ECA(2wk's on 2wk's off)
Clen dose-start with 2mcg-4days;4mcg-4days;6mcg-6days
ECA dose-start with 1cap(20mg ephadrine)in the morning- working your way up to 3caps/day(dont take after 3pm-affects sleep)
Pregnyl 250ius 2x/week from 2nd week till 7th week in the 8th week 500iu's x3(Mon+Wed+Fri)
Kessar(start 3 days after last Anavar tab)20mg/day for 21 days
HGH(I'm taking for granted you have 100iu's)2iu's/day-subcutanous(Mon-Fri;off Sat+Sun)and this will last 2 weeks into PCT(10 weeks altogether)Remember HGH inj. are site specific for fat loss(fat loss at injection site) and dont inject in the same place twice, move them around.Hope this is detailed enough.

Clen and ECA start from week 1 and run through to end of PCT start with ECA. Another tip for accelerated fat loss is- do your cardio(even if its for 20min) in the morning first thing before you eat ,you can have your ECA or Clen before cardio and drink only water -with glycogen stores being depleted after sleeping you burn bodyfat for energy with there being no fuel in your gut.

Where you based Conan? If you don't want to answer here you can mail me on EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED