Too early to juice??

i started gym about 9 months back gymed solidly for like 7 months eating right and gyming hard gained like 7 or 8 kgs in that time stopped for like a months or 2 and lost it all and now im feeling a little impatient my plan is to gym hard for like 4 months using a good creatine like n.o explode and then on the fith month i plan on using a combo of dball and enenthate loads of people have told me that it is too soon for me but if u add the 7 months i previously gymed plus the four im gonna do that almost a year total but yea ill appreciate everyones input and advice.

What is your stats? Age, height, weight, BF, diet ?? You sound very young, maybe under 23??

I would say get back everything you lost first.

To help you out , please supply us some states.

Age , weight , hieght , Body Fat % , Goal so on. As well as diet

well im 24 havnt got a very strict diet just make sure i get in protein and carbs 5 times a day i currently weigh 70kgs body fat not realy sure the virgin active machine tells me 14% body fat and height i think round bout 170 cm

I rate you need to sort out the diet first , to get the most out of the supplements and yourself.

Type down your diet for each of you 5 meals. I take it you drinking +2L water as well?

Are you using whey ?? All these things we need to know.

Rude1, have you done some research? Do yourself a favour and view different posts on this site to find out more on diets, sample cycles,ect. The period that you've been training worries me a bit. There is a guy on the site, djeasy, that supplies most of the BB with diets that work. He charges a fee, but it's worth it. Just with his diet and a good training programme at your age you can gain quite a bit of muscle.

Rude1 wrote:

loads of people have told me that it is too soon for me but if u add the 7 months i previously gymed plus the four im gonna do that almost a year total but yea ill appreciate everyones input and advice.

You think 7 and 4 months (11 months)is a lot of gyming? Dude, ppl train for at least three years before even considering gear

using a mass gainer 3 times a day 3 liters of water a day breakfast will be something like oats or weat picks three hours later will have a tuna sandwich with lo gi bread and a bannana three hours late yogurt apple brown rice with tuna three hours later another low gi egg sandwich with a fruit and then a supper of chicken potatoes rice and veg.diet varies here and there but that more or less it

I dont think you are ready for juice,you only trained for 7 months and you dont have a strict diet.Those are the two of the most fundamental keys to growth.If you cant keep up a training schedule and you dont eat right,you aint never gonna make any decent growth.And 7kg gain in 7 months is alot naturally,most people cant gain that in a year..So leave the juice for now for at least 2 years,you might not even need it.

i know its not a long time just trying to get some advice

You are under 25 and will still be producing massive natural doses of test.

Crazy to waste your first cycle, by doing it so early.

IMO you should train for another 3 years before even considering juice. After 7 months you have no clue as to how your body will still grow naturally.

Take the next 6 months and really concentrate on eating clean and BIG, you will be amazed to see how much you can grow.

2 grams of protein per POUND of body weight each day is what you should be aiming for.

If you are not following a proper diet then even juice is NOT going to work for you.

Eat BIG
Lift BIG
Grow BIG

could someone please explain to me exactly how bad it is to take a course at my level will it prevent me from future gains or what and please note that my goal is to reach 85 90 and stop im not planning on becoming a body builder or anything like that

Best advice you will ever get at the moment is = Get a proper diet and training routine.

If you dont you simply wasting you money and the supplementation ( and future ideas of Juice).

11 months training/on off is not nearly enough dude.

Rude1 wrote:

could someone please explain to me exactly how bad it is to take a course at my level will it prevent me from future gains or what and please note that my goal is to reach 85 90 and stop im not planning on becoming a body builder or anything like that

Thats wat they all say. Gear is addictive, once u start gaining u dont wanna stop, believe me its true.

lol i suppose i can believe that

from what im getting here i get the idea that one should get the best possible natural gains before using gear or the gear is wasted on those easy natural gains and when a heavy platuea is hit the gear wont work all that well as it would have if it was the first time

Rude1 wrote:

from what im getting here i get the idea that one should get the best possible natural gains before using gear or the gear is wasted on those easy natural gains and when a heavy platuea is hit the gear wont work all that well as it would have if it was the first time

Pretty much. Wont u have better satisfaction knowing that the muscle u gained was ur hard work only and not ur hard work plus gear! When you've tried everything and ur still not happy then that is when u turn to gear.

Rude1 wrote:

from what im getting here i get the idea that one should get the best possible natural gains before using gear or the gear is wasted on those easy natural gains and when a heavy platuea is hit the gear wont work all that well as it would have if it was the first time

That will be the best decision you've ever taken. Go natural for now and you won't regret later in life.

Rude1 wrote:

could someone please explain to me exactly how bad it is to take a course at my level will it prevent me from future gains or what and please note that my goal is to reach 85 90 and stop im not planning on becoming a body builder or anything like that

Because your biggest gains will be made in your first years of training and of course again when you take juice (usually your first few cycles).

Why on earth waste the first years of natural growth by taking juice now, especially at your age, when your body is producing so much Test anyway??? It's nuts.

You will in effect be wasting your first few cycles!!

It makes no sense from a bodybuilding and a monetary perspective.

thanks for all the advice guys much appreciated

could anyone tell me what a realy good creatine is i was told to get my self n.o explode will that be fine??

Rude1 wrote:

from what im getting here i get the idea that one should get the best possible natural gains before using gear or the gear is wasted on those easy natural gains and when a heavy platuea is hit the gear wont work all that well as it would have if it was the first time

Pretty much spot on.

Besides, you are going to have train farking hard, and eat huge anyway when on gear.Keep it in reserve when you are older, more experienced and battling to get to the next level.

You going to grow now anyway.

i suppose ur right impatients never realy helped anyone

Rude1 wrote:

could anyone tell me what a realy good creatine is i was told to get my self n.o explode will that be fine??

N.O Explode(BSN),Muscle Science, Evox, SSN = All good creatine. Just DON'T buy USN !

North_Boy1 wrote:

Rude1 wrote:

could anyone tell me what a realy good creatine is i was told to get my self n.o explode will that be fine??

N.O Explode(BSN),Muscle Science, Evox, SSN = All good creatine. Just DON'T buy USN !

AMEN to that!!