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25 Oct 2009 10:33 #26819 by kimokurt
Heya guys I'm 19 weigh about 130kg's looking to rip and put on muscle, ok I really need help. Reading through these forums confuses me as I don't understand enough about all this. I have never been on steroids but really want to, is it possible to get help? Where do you find steroids? How do you take them? Please give me a advice, please! Maybe someone can help me in the forum or email me at EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED

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25 Oct 2009 10:46 #26821 by Sting
kimokurt wrote:

Heya guys I'm 19 weigh about 130kg's looking to rip and put on muscle, ok I really need help. Reading through these forums confuses me as I don't understand enough about all this. I have never been on steroids but really want to, is it possible to get help? Where do you find steroids? How do you take them? Please give me a advice, please! Maybe someone can help me in the forum or email me at EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED


So if you were reading through the forum then why is it that you didn't notice the posts where all the guys are around your age get told to stay away from gear as you are too young? The only advice you will get is eat big, train big and supplement well. Guess what happens to guys your age who take gear, the gear signals to the brain and as a result the brain thinks it doesn't need to produce testosterone anymore and so your balls degenrate and fall off.

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25 Oct 2009 10:50 #26822 by Sting
But anyways I noticed that you weigh 130 Kgs and you haven't done a cycle before so Im guessing its all fat. What's your body fat %? I think you need to get yourself a good cutting diet, keto diet or speak to djeasye for a good diet. steroids will just make you look fatter so they are a no no, they will stunt your growth as well, and screw with your natural test production at your age

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25 Oct 2009 10:51 #26823 by kimokurt
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Ok and what age should you be? What supplements in that case would give me results as fast as anabolic steroids would?

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25 Oct 2009 10:54 #26824 by kimokurt
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No really all fat, I have been told I need to lose 15kg. I have been gyming since I was 15 and taking met-rx which worked wonders but its time for something better and new. So is there nothing I can take to help?

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25 Oct 2009 10:57 #26825 by Yohimbe
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At 19 you're way too young to consider steroids and would damage your natural test production.

Diet is the key and the most effective diet for dropping bodyfat and putting on muscle IMO is the keto diet.

You cut carbs completely and change the energy source. The body converts carbs to glycogen in the liver and this is the neergy source used to run your body.

In the absence of carbs, the liver will convert dietary fat to ketones and this will be used as the energy source to run you body.

On a ketosis diet you will cut carbs completely and will increase dietary fat and protein. Carbs causes the body to produce insulin to control blood sugar and insulin is a storage hormone, causing you to hold onto the fat. Research the keto diet or Atkins diet, basically the same thing, but I would keep carbs lower than suggested on the levles on Atkins. Add a single carb meal once per week to replenish muscle glycogen.

Look at ways to increase your test production without affecting HTPA. Tribulus is a known way of doing this. Another is to lower estrogen levels as the body poduces testosterone by negative feedback on esterogen levels.
Nolvadex is something you could use to achieve this. But leave the steroids for now. I wouldn't look at steroids until you are at least 25, as you have enough natural test.

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25 Oct 2009 11:01 #26826 by Sting
15 kg is a lot of fat to lose, you need to aim for losing 0.5kg of fat a week. I recommend a high protein low carb diet/keto diet but djeasye might have something else in mind for you. You need to do cardio five times a week in the mornings on an empty stomach (approximately 1 hour a session but depends on the intensity of cardio you do). A good fat burner wont do you any harm either, heat is a good bet and just get yourself a good multivit, vitamin c, some glutamine and maybe some creatine...and of course some whey protein isolate.

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25 Oct 2009 11:04 #26827 by kimokurt
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How do I source all this? Tribulus & Nolvadex? Can I get this in health shops?

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25 Oct 2009 11:07 #26828 by Sting
You can get tribulus at a pharmacy and nolvadex you aint gonna get here...no asking for sources. Rather invest in a good fat burner, you dont need to bulk...you need to cut cut cut

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25 Oct 2009 11:08 #26829 by kimokurt
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Thanks Beesting, at the moment I am losing over 1kg a week as I have a rather intense workout program, I am also taking CLA and Phenadrine. Would you suggest something better?

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25 Oct 2009 11:09 #26830 by Yohimbe
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Tribulus yes, but not nolva. Look it up, its a SERM which means it blocks estrogen receptors and stops your body absorbing estrogen.
Used mainly medically for women with breast cancer to stop estrogen absorption as this is a big factor in tumour growth.

But you're not going to get nolva easily-scheduled medication.

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25 Oct 2009 11:09 #26831 by acidkidsa
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kimokurt wrote:

How do I source all this? Tribulus & Nolvadex? Can I get this in health shops?


There is no way in hell you have been reading past posts with a question like that.

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25 Oct 2009 11:10 #26833 by kimokurt
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So how would one get Nolva? In plain terms can you please explain what an estrogen blocker will do for me?

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25 Oct 2009 11:12 #26834 by kimokurt
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I have, but like I explained I dont understand half the words used in the forums. I am wanting to learn which is why I am here. Also there are a large amount of post so obviously I didn't manage to go through everyone of them.

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25 Oct 2009 11:14 #26835 by Sting
Just be careful when you lose so much a week, it comes back on easily if you stop training and dieting and remember some of the weight might be water too. Just eat enough protein and calories just below maintenance to ensure its fat and not muscle that you are utilising as an energy source. CLA hasn't scientifically been proven to work but I think it may help to some extent. I dont know how well phenadrine works but see how it goes otherwise opt for an ephedrine containing stack

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25 Oct 2009 11:14 #26836 by Yohimbe
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You need to do some research, but basically one of the mechanisms your body creates testosterone is by negative feedback. It works like a hormonal thermostat reading estrogen levels. When your body reads that it has low estrogen levels it will start producing testosterone, as testosterone converts to estrogen.

This is the principle of nolva in post cycle therapy. You fool your body into thinking it has very low estrogen so it will start producing tesosterone to counter this.

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25 Oct 2009 11:17 #26837 by kimokurt
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Ok awesome I understand, thanks! And Tribulus is the same thing as Nolva?

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25 Oct 2009 11:18 #26838 by vega5
Tell us a bit more about your current eating habits and training routine? How tall are you and at what body fat?

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25 Oct 2009 11:18 #26839 by kimokurt
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Yeah have been on weighless so I think there portions are controlled. Can you give me an example of an ephedrine containing stack so I can go get it?

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25 Oct 2009 11:20 #26841 by Yohimbe
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kimokurt wrote:

Ok awesome I understand, thanks! And Tribulus is the same thing as Nolva?


No, tribulus is a herb that increases test production

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25 Oct 2009 11:20 #26842 by Sting
kimokurt wrote:

Yeah have been on weighless so I think there portions are controlled. Can you give me an example of an ephedrine containing stack so I can go get it?


Heat, beesting etc, ask someone at your gym to hook you up

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25 Oct 2009 11:22 #26843 by kimokurt
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Well I am 1.9m tall and train 30min cardio in the mornings and 1.5 hours weight training every afternoon. I was trained by a well know trainer who's exercise program I still use today. Basically I train for 1 - 1.5hours and focus on a muscle. I train 6 times a week. Besides that I am on weighless and take CLA and Phenadrine

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25 Oct 2009 11:23 #26844 by Sting
kimokurt wrote:

Yeah have been on weighless so I think there portions are controlled. Can you give me an example of an ephedrine containing stack so I can go get it?


Do you not go hungry on weighless diets cos I think I would go hungry on it esp with gyming on top of it?

And aren't these really low in protein and high in carbs?

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25 Oct 2009 11:25 #26846 by Sting
kimokurt wrote:

Well I am 1.9m tall and train 30min cardio in the mornings and 1.5 hours weight training every afternoon. I was trained by a well know trainer who's exercise program I still use today. Basically I train for 1 - 1.5hours and focus on a muscle. I train 6 times a week. Besides that I am on weighless and take CLA and Phenadrine


Why do you train 1-1.5 hours in the afternoon...thats way way too long...keep your workouts to 45 min...you are going to go catabolic after long sessions like that...your trainer doesn't know what he/she is talking about

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25 Oct 2009 11:25 #26847 by kimokurt
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What do you mean by test production?

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