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Hi guys, just a few questions. I want to use roids for the first time, yet i have no idea what to expect. What should my diet be, traning be and what should i use?

Please let me now anyone!

Please post your stats so that people can help you
Age
Height
Weight
BF
Lifting experience

Gym Junkie:

Please go research more chap.... that is far too broad a question come to us with something more aimed like: "These are my stats and current diet and this is what i am planning on using" then we go from there?? Schweet??

Peace

I think the first question should be - How long have you been gyming for? I mean hard, dedicated, painful gyming. . . What do you find more important - weight(the amount of weight you push) or form(technique)?

If you've been gyming 2 years + (hopefully more) and have gotten to a plateau,then spend another year doing research, get your goals, diet and workout down to the 'T'. This is one of those things that you can't jump into when you dont know what to expect. There is too much to know and too much to risk. Dont mess with your body man. Take it slow.

Okay, my age is 23. Im 179cm tall. My BF is 17%, and ive been lifting for more than 2 years now

Hey musclejunkie

Whats your weight?

You cant start off not knowing what to expect. . and I dont think you can learn enough. For the first time, you wont know what to expect because you wont know how your body is going to react, so you just have to prepare yourself.

Oh, my weight is 83kg

What are your lifts like? I'm talking about bench, squat and deadlift, not curls

Gymjunkie wrote:

Okay, my age is 23. Im 179cm tall. My BF is 17%, and ive been lifting for more than 2 years now

Oh, my weight is 83kg

Hey Gymjunkie:

firstly your body fat is way too high, taking gear with BF @ 17% is not going to give you the results you want. i'm not here to tell you do's and Dont's, we are here to get advice from each other, and my advice to you is simple , get a good diet in place, to get that body fat down, then Train as hard as you can with good rest in place as well.... and THEN do ALOT of reseach on gear, and i mean ALOT... you need to familiarize yourself with the substances you want to put into your body and how they work, what are the side effects, I havent heard you mention PCT... i could be wrong but you probably dont know what that is do you? PCT are very important do some research now that the net is a library use it....

DOnt mean to be rude, but giveing you some good advise so you dont end up Fucking yourself up in the long run.


Later dude

Morph

Deadgoat wrote:

What are your lifts like? I'm talking about bench, squat and deadlift, not curls

Deadgoat dude

What do his lifts have to do with taking gear bud? y this question?

Morphosis wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

What are your lifts like? I'm talking about bench, squat and deadlift, not curls

Deadgoat dude

What do his lifts have to do with taking gear bud? y this question?

Suppose maybe if he's been hitting the gym 2 years and still hitting the colourful weights, then he's DEFINITELY not ready.

Morphosis. . . Demon Hunter fan?

BleedingEyes wrote:

Morphosis wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

What are your lifts like? I'm talking about bench, squat and deadlift, not curls

Deadgoat dude

What do his lifts have to do with taking gear bud? y this question?

Suppose maybe if he's been hitting the gym 2 years and still hitting the colourful weights, then he's DEFINITELY not ready.

Morphosis. . . Demon Hunter fan?

Exactly, he weighs 83kg if he still hasn't got to 2 plates per side on the bench then he's clearly doing more aerobics than weight lifting

Ha ha. Okay guys, im benching 100kgs for 10reps now.. My deadlifts are at 110kgs and squats are 100kg as well... Any advice on technique to get these up? Also, id like to know where could i find a diet to get my BF down then?

Gymjunkie wrote:

Ha ha. Okay guys, im benching 100kgs for 10reps now.. My deadlifts are at 110kgs and squats are 100kg as well... Any advice on technique to get these up? Also, id like to know where could i find a diet to get my BF down then?

Ideally you'd like a 3:4:5 ratio between bench, squat and deads.
You shouldn't be squating your bench weight as that'll lead you to a Johnny Bravo physique, try a 5x5 routine for your squats and deads and PM DJ about a diet.
And I hope you can shoulder press more than 60kg

So you are 179cm, 83kg and 17% bf...
I'm 178cm, 81kg and 12% bf, and I can only bench 80kg, Squat 100kg, and I don't do heavy deadlifts (yet), I've been lifting for more than 3 years btw.
IN OTHER WORDS, you are quite strong for your physique, and if you get your diet in order you should have no trouble getting massive fast, IMHO...

Either that, or I am very weak :blush: , but this may be the case as I've never been really strong, and I gain muscle easier than strength, irritating really.

End of rant.
:silly:

Actually I'd say you're stronger than him, I dont count bench as a sign of strength. Your squats are the same while you're lighter, and he carries more BF which would make him stronger than he would be at your BF

Can never understand how peoples Bench can be so close to their Squats and Deads..... Even if your Bench is half your squat and dead something is wrong IMO?? Based on capacity it should be half minimum that's how you build size Get squatting bud!

Oh and N3rd I wish mine was the other way round! Lucky with the size thing don't complain;)

Peace

Deadgoat wrote:

Actually I'd say you're stronger than him, I dont count bench as a sign of strength. Your squats are the same while you're lighter, and he carries more BF which would make him stronger than he would be at your BF

He has less lean mass than me, yet he squats the same, thus he kicks my ass...

How can 17% bf versus 12% bf make one stronger!?!?!? :blink:
Are you saying that if I were fatter I would be stronger?
Strength comes from training style, diet and genetics (naturally speaking of course).

Mr Moose, I'm not complaining LOL, I just would have liked some sort of balance...

N3rd wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

Actually I'd say you're stronger than him, I dont count bench as a sign of strength. Your squats are the same while you're lighter, and he carries more BF which would make him stronger than he would be at your BF

He has less lean mass than me, yet he squats the same, thus he kicks my ass...

How can 17% bf versus 12% bf make one stronger!?!?!? :blink:
Are you saying that if I were fatter I would be stronger?
Strength comes from training style, diet and genetics (naturally speaking of course).

Mr Moose, I'm not complaining LOL, I just would have liked some sort of balance...

Thats EXACTLY what I'm saying, everyone's stronger in the off-season as with the extra fat they have more muscle, if he cuts down to your 12% his strength will decrease

Deadgoat wrote:

Thats EXACTLY what I'm saying, everyone's stronger in the off-season as with the extra fat they have more muscle, if he cuts down to your 12% his strength will decrease

"everyone's stronger in the off-season" TRUE
"with the extra fat they have more muscle" FALSE

WHILE he's cutting, his strength might decrease.
The amount of fat does not determine your amount of muscle (or strength for that matter). Except when you have sub 3% bf, which will start eating into your muscles when your body goes into survival mode.

I don't want to highjack this thread.

N3rd wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

Thats EXACTLY what I'm saying, everyone's stronger in the off-season as with the extra fat they have more muscle, if he cuts down to your 12% his strength will decrease

"everyone's stronger in the off-season" TRUE
"with the extra fat they have more muscle" FALSE

WHILE he's cutting, his strength might decrease.
The amount of fat does not determine your amount of muscle (or strength for that matter). Except when you have sub 3% bf, which will start eating into your muscles when your body goes into survival mode.

I don't want to highjack this thread.

Lets not split hairs, in the off season people train. They'll pick up fat AND muscle. I refuse to lose an arguement over a technicality and we're not hijacking, just having some banter whilst the kids are asleep

They'll pick up muscle yes, but that is not the point that you made. You said that having more fat somehow makes you stronger, your point was NOT that higher calorie diets in the off season results in fat and muscle gain.

I can train in the off season and pick up muscle but not fat. It took 3 years of experimenting but its doable.

N3rd wrote:

They'll pick up muscle yes, but that is not the point that you made. You said that having more fat somehow makes you stronger, your point was NOT that higher calorie diets in the off season results in fat and muscle gain.

I can train in the off season and pick up muscle but not fat. It took 3 years of experimenting but its doable.

You're right that is what I meant, a fat guy weighing 120 may be able to deadlift and squat 180 even though a ripped 75 kg bodybuilder cant. Size matters my friend

Deadgoat wrote:

N3rd wrote:

They'll pick up muscle yes, but that is not the point that you made. You said that having more fat somehow makes you stronger, your point was NOT that higher calorie diets in the off season results in fat and muscle gain.

I can train in the off season and pick up muscle but not fat. It took 3 years of experimenting but its doable.

You're right that is what I meant, a fat guy weighing 120 may be able to deadlift and squat 180 even though a ripped 75 kg bodybuilder cant. Size matters my friend

It's about lean muscle mass, that is all that you can compare, but it does not determine strength.
Diet, training style and genetics, not just size.

N3rd wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

N3rd wrote:

They'll pick up muscle yes, but that is not the point that you made. You said that having more fat somehow makes you stronger, your point was NOT that higher calorie diets in the off season results in fat and muscle gain.

I can train in the off season and pick up muscle but not fat. It took 3 years of experimenting but its doable.

You're right that is what I meant, a fat guy weighing 120 may be able to deadlift and squat 180 even though a ripped 75 kg bodybuilder cant. Size matters my friend

It's about lean muscle mass, that is all that you can compare, but it does not determine strength.
Diet, training style and genetics, not just size.

I beg to differ, lets use a 120kg powerlifter with 25% body fat, and compare him to a 110kg contest ready bodybuilder.
The bodybuilder has more lean body mass but who do you honestly think would be stronger and why?