Beginner Bulking Cycle

Thinking of running the following cycle in two weeks time, what do you guys think?

Got it from the downloads section, just changed the Testocyp with SuperTest 320

Cycle:

Day 1 - 77 : 1 x 1ml SuperTest 320 (Precision Gear Works) every 4th day
Day 1 - 25 : 4 x 10mg Dianabol (Liquid Pharmaceuticals) everyday

PCT:

Day 106 - 112: 2 x 50mg Clomid 50 everyday
Day 113 - 131: 500iu HCG every 2nd day
Day 113 - 142: 1 x 20mg Nolvadex 20 everyday

Will I need a anit-estrogen for the following cycle like Letrozole?

Are you gyno prone?

Id much rather suggest you use Arimidex as letro is said to cause some fucked up sides. I wouldnt use it just keep it on hand if you notice your nipples get sensitive,itchy or puffy, start using it.

Furthermore, it sounds like a good cycle post results and good luck bud
All the best!

Just for intrest sake,why would you swop the testcyp fot supertest?

I would rather pin monday morning and thursday afternoon. Twice a week. Every fourth day feels a bit long between pins.

Is this your first cycle Khaos? If not, what's your cycle history? I agree with kkx with a Mon-Thurs split rather than Mon-Fri, as the short esters in the Supertest like Test Prop have much shorter half-lives and if you want the full efficacy of those shorter esters I presume you're gonna need to pin more frequently. If money's an issue, maybe wait a bit and save up for another vial of Supertest, that way you can further extend the cycle whilst running the same dose at correct pinning frequency. That way you will be pinning 640mg of Test each week. Could even throw in some Proviron throughout cycle and stack it with oral winny during your bridge.

I'm planning on a very similar cycle, hoping for 12 weeks @ 640mg Supertest each week, but might only keep it to 10 weeks. Will use 40mg Tbol or Dbol as a 25 day kicker with 40mg Proviron up until PCT, running the Winny at 40mg during the bridge only. PCT will be Clomid, Kessar and Ovidrel.

What's your current stats bro? Let us know your progress, before and after pics etc. All the best with the cycle!

I agree with the pinning changes but watch your dose depending on your cycle history. I would definitely add in a bridge to PCT. its a long break, i find i get bleak during the wait for PCT, in the beginning it is a mental thing but as you get close to PCT you really notice the levels of test dropping. Besides a bridge will keep you highly anabolic throughout the wait.

Good luck

MK, are you going to run the proviron from day one up until pct?

No, sorry I made a mistake there, am planning to start the Proviron at week 5 (as I finish the kicker) up until PCT.

MK wrote: No, sorry I made a mistake there, am planning to start the Proviron at week 5 (as I finish the kicker) up until PCT.

Proviron is a good addition to any cycle IMO,but its a bit pricey if you gooi the dosages. I want to do like 50-100mg daily while on my cycle. What dosage proviron are you going to run MK?

I have used Deca, Dianabol and Winstrol in the past but was f*cking around, this will be my first proper cycle.

I'm 1.8m and weight 90kg

MK, would you suggest the following cycle if I go for 10 weeks, don't actually want to go longer then that

Cycle:

Day 1 - 70: 1 x 1mg SuperTest 320 twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays
Day 1 - 25: 4 x 10mg Dianabol a day
Day 25 - 70: 2 x 20mg Proviron a day
Day 70 - 99: 4 x 10mg Winstrol a day

PCT:

Day 99 - 105: 2 x 50mg Clomid 50 a day
Day 106 - 124: 500iu HCG every 2nd day
Day 106 - 135: 1 x 20mg Nolvadex 20 everyday

How long after your cycle should you start your PCT? 4 weeks?

The reason why I wanted to get a anti-estrogen is because I when I used the Dianabol previously I got very bloated in my face. What would help for this?

I wanted to get Arimidex but it's shit expensive!!!

The longest ester in supertest is cyp and cyps waiting period for pct is 3x10.5 days so thats 32 days.

Try run proviron together with the winny, they work in synergy.

If adex is too expensive i would drop the proviron and only use it while bridging then you should save enough for some adex. Or you can go the letro route... :whistle:

Happy growing.

Eish, getting confused now.

Must I run the Proviron only on the bridge or must I run it after the dianabol until I start the PCT?

So I will run it with the SuperTest until I finish the Test cycle and then run it with Winstrol until the PCT.

Do I start the PCT straight after the Winny/Proviron?

gorilla wrote: The longest ester in supertest is cyp and cyps waiting period for pct is 3x10.5 days so thats 32 days.

Pretty sure ST has undecanoate as the longest ester so that would be 16.5x3 = 50 days after last pin

@OP yes you start PCT day after you finish winny and proviron

Another question, must I take a anti-estrogen with the following cycle like Letrozole?

How much Letrozole must a take?

I have never used Letrozole before so how do you take it?

Only if you need it, start with 3 drops EOD into a glass of water and drink it. But I've heard it can be taken as a suppository for quicker results...

The main thing is I don't want to get bloated in my face and also not get sensitive nipples.

I have never been on a cycle like this so rather want to be safe.

Was thinking of taking Letrozole once a week to be safe but also don't want it to effect my gains.

Will 3 drops a week be enough and also not effect my gains?

Why not use adex

agree with von. a little more pricey but worth it

Letro sucks....adex works faster and less sides than letro.

They are three times more then Letrozole and just want something to prevent it, don't know if I will need it or not.

Some people say you must not use a anti-estrogen as it effect your gains.

Very confused when it comes to the this!!!

Dbol gave you aromatisation sides last time and you were using less test. Now you are planning 640mg test plus dbol, chances are good its going to happen again. Even the test alone might aromatise if you are sensitive. In my mind you have 2 options, change the dbol for Oral Turinabol and hope like hell you dont get aromatisation issues which isnt great advice.

Otherwise buythe Adex and use the dbol. Adex should last you 2 cycles so it does work out a bit cheaper if you factor that in. It can affect your gains if you use too much but i had to use it on my last cycle and at 0.4mg, 3 times a week it kept the sides away and didnt affect my training. I wouldnt go the Letro route if i was you.

Ideally frontload with OT and have the Adex on hand in case.

Run the Proviron as long as you can but work backwards from your last day of bridge. Ideally you want to start your proviron after the dbol and run it to the last bridging day.

You start your PCT a day after the winny and proviron bridge. Check your waiting times in the articles section, 4 weeks isnt enough bud.

Good luck

After reading the following it looks like I don't need a anti-estrogen if I use Proviron:

"Proviron is a unique steroid that has no anabolic properties but does have androgenic properties. Originally Proviron was used to reduced some of the symptoms of testosterone deficiency like reduced sex drive. Better-suited products like Clomid and HCG soon took over this role. Proviron has however got a far better purpose and has been in the bodybuilder’s arsenal along side Winstrol and Oxandrolone when it comes to competition preparation. Proviron is an estrogen antagonist that stops the aromatising or conversion of testosterone into estrogen. It is very different from Timoxifen (Nolvadex) in that it does not block the estrogen receptor sites, but actually stops the conversion in the first place. This means that water retention and gynecomastia is successfully blocked. The benefit here during competition preparation is obvious. Proviron leads to harder and sharper muscles allowing the user to use higher androgens resulting in fuller and more muscles during the competition phase without the associated water retention.

It is not uncommon for athletes to be on Proviron year round in order to look sharp and hard for competitions and gust posing. As a final touch to competition preparation, Nolvadex in combination with Proviron and Aldactone used correctly will yield seriously hard physiques."

The Proviron will help with the water retention and aromatising and won't make me bloated.

3 x tHalf-Life = Time to wait

Super Test 320 / Sustanon Testosterone Blend 18 days 54 days

So this is how long I must wait before I start my PCT?

@Gorilla: Why such a high dose of Proviron on cycle? Surely 40mg ED would be a sufficient dose? And 40mg of Schering (Paki) Proviron is what I'm planning on using from Week 5 up until the last day of my bridge. That Proviron has worked well for a friend of mine who has used it, and it is very well priced if you can get it from the right person, so maybe look into that. Have never heard of anyone using LP's Proviron so can't compare it to that.

Also the half life of Test Cyp is 12 days not 10.5 days. Test E's half life is 10.5 days, so in that case wait 36 days before you start your PCT Khaos. I agree with your idea about the Winny and Proviron though.

@Khaos: Bro, rather wait a little longer until you have the money to buy everything you need including Adex. Rather be safe than sorry. Even if you don't use the Adex on cycle you can save it for your next one, wouldn't recommend letro because of its side effects... Rather spend the extra buck on quality stuff like Adex.

I also seriously think you should reconsider the length of your cycle because Supertest does take a while to kick in properly for some people. Maybe keep a little cash on the side so if you're not entirely happy with your results near the end of your cycle, you can always extend it by a few weeks.

Run the Proviron starting after the Dbol which is when the Supertest should start kicking in properly with the longer esters. Continue running the Proviron with the Winny throughout your bridge up until the day before you start your PCT. The day after you finish your last tabs of winny and proviron, start your PCT starting with Clomid at 100mg ED for the first week of your PCT, then running the Nolva and HCG for the rest of the PCT's duration.

By the way, HCG is basically freeze-dried pregnant women's piss, so if I were you I wouldn't use that stuff at all but would rather opt for Ovidrel if you can get it, which is synthetic HCG. Another bonus about Ovidrel is that it doesn't have to be refrigerated and it lasts a little longer than HCG without losing its efficacy as time progresses (HCG lasts 3-4 weeks and loses its efficacy each day starting when it's mixed with the BAC water).

Well let me post my planned cycle so you can see how it looks and maybe it will help you decide on what exactly you will get.

[CYCLE]
Week 1-10: 640mg Supertest (Mon-Thurs split)
First 25 days: 40mg Dbol OR Tbol ED (depending on what I can get)
Day 26 to Day before PCT starts: 40mg Proviron ED

[BRIDGE]
Week 11-14: Winny @40mg ED + Proviron @40mg ED

[PCT]
Week 15: 100mg Clomid ED
Week 16-19: 20mg Kessar/Nolva ED with 500iU Ovidrel EOD

I will probably end up extending the cycle to 12 weeks depending on my gains. I seriously think you should consider doing this too. I will be taking SamE (liver protector) from Week 1-5 and then Week 11-14 and will also be keeping Adex on hand throughout the cycle.

This might seem too much but if you want to maximise your gains (like I do), take 2000-4000mg of Vitamin C ED on-cycle to supress the raises cortisol levels that are raised by the Test. This will also help with your gains. Also consider taking 9000mg Fish Oils as high Test doses can cause blood clots as some guys on the forum helped me understand in my post, however I'm not 100% sure on how necessary this is with 640mg Test.