Your most succesful cycle

DJ wrote: Plenty bro...I have got some $ saved up that when I am at a low enough body fat I am gonna have a tummy tuck to get rid of the extra skin and lipo, I am not afraid of putting in the work but I always get to a sticking point where nothing helps

I have noticed the longer I stay on GH the tighter my skin becomes especially around my lower abs. When you depleted me each time it tightened up even more

admin wrote: My best cycle was my first one:
Week 1-6: 60mg Anavar per day.
Week 1-10: 500mg Testoviron per week.


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Bump that-gains never came as easily as on that first cycle for so few compounds-mine was 7 weeks test prop 500mg/week frontloaded with 40mg turinabol for first 4 weeks.
Gained about 8 solid kgs and diet was crap.

Admin and Yohimbe, what were your results like? And how would you compare simpler short ester test cycles to slightly longer (10-12 week) long ester test cycles or even test combo cycles?

Yohimbe wrote:

gorilla wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

gorilla wrote: Im FING scared of tren I will be doing 500mg cyp for 12-15 weeks still thinking about it with 30-50mg dbol for my first. Already have the gear does that sound?

I will only do tren at cycle 6-8 I know that stuff isnt something you play with

Thanks bud

Sounds good-stick to 12 weeks. Don't forget the anti e and I would throw in some hcg during the cycle so you're not so shut down-I like to run hcg at 500-750iu/week every third week of the cycle for a week ie week 3, week 6.
PCT start two weeks after your last injection
my pct is usually
Cycle finishes week 12
week 13 vita c vit e and fish oil
week 13 vita c vit e and fish oil, hcg 500iu
week 14 nolva 40mg/day vita c vit e and fish oil
week 15 nolva 40mg/day vita c vit e and fish oil
Week 16 nolva 20mg/day vita c vit e and fish oil
week 17 nolva 20mg/day vita c vit e and fish oil

Why not 15 weeks bud? How does a bridge with dbol/winny+proviron sound?

I was thinking:
week 12 cycle ends
week 13-18: winny 50mg daily or dbol 40mg daily + 25mg Proviron
Then week 19: Clomid 100mg daily
Week 19 on: Nolva for 30 days 20mg daily with hcg EOD (1 vile hcg)

Please comment on the bridge and pct choice?

I'd just rather not be shut down for that long. With that bridge you're going to be shut down for 18 weeks, which is a long time and recovery might be a bit of a struggle.

I'm also not so big on hcg during full pct. Hcg mimics LH which is the signal for your testes to produce test, but while you're on it, it suppresses the pituitary gland from producing LH. There is also a recovery needed for the pituitary to start producing LH again on an extended cycle of HCG.
My logic is to pulse the HCG during the cycle and use it the first week of pct to get the benefit of the LH without suppressing the pituitary.

To use a bridge, is more bridging between cycles, but the idea of dbol bridge between cycles or for pct is to allow some recovery by boosting the test levels and reducing the cortisol levels during that delicate period of pct when you are likely to lose most of your gains.
The way it works is you use 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning as you wake up. At this low dose and cos of the short half life of dbol, it piggy backs your natural high testosterone level boost in the morning (the morning glory) without effecting your natural LH much. This allows you to recover by about 80% while raising your natural test levels by about 5x and reducing cortisol levels by 50-70%
There is no scientific evidence backing this up and is more an underground theory. I've used it in the past and felt it did work, but always ran an extended pct after I came off the dbol bridge.

On a first cycle, I wouldn't get so complicated and just run straight test cyp for 12 weeks with standard pct and see how you handle it all. 15 weeks is just a bit long to be shut down IMO-but many do cycles that length and are fine so its more about personal choice.

So waht pct do you suggest. After 2 weeks there will still be about 250mg cyp in my blood cos the halflife is 12 days.

best cycle for me atm was deca 300 and sus 450x2 weekly useing only 1mil deca 300 and 2mil sus 450 hey photo old picked up about 15kg muscle can anyone let us know on their most succesful cutting cycle plz guys

Best cycle I've done

900mg test enan
450mg deca
300mg masteron
Frontloaded with 40mg dbol for 4weeks.

1000mg Super Test PW
750mg Tren E PW
700mg Equi PW
50mg dbol ED

This was an awesome cycle but it's a body killer. Never again!

Jeez some guys have done some mofo cycles! :lol:

How do feel on 750mg tren vega?

gorilla wrote: Jeez some guys have done some mofo cycles! :lol:

How do feel on 750mg tren vega?

Really kak is probably the best way of putting it. Not worth it in my opinion if you don't compete.

It took me so long to recover that I'm still recovering 5 months later.

vega5 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Jeez some guys have done some mofo cycles! :lol:

How do feel on 750mg tren vega?

Really kak is probably the best way of putting it. Not worth it in my opinion if you don't compete.

It took me so long to recover that I'm still recovering 5 months later.

Shit that sucks but you were probably strong as an ox?

gorilla wrote:

vega5 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Jeez some guys have done some mofo cycles! :lol:

How do feel on 750mg tren vega?

Really kak is probably the best way of putting it. Not worth it in my opinion if you don't compete.

It took me so long to recover that I'm still recovering 5 months later.

Shit that sucks but you were probably strong as an ox?

Quite but I'm anyway not into lifting massive weights.

MK wrote: Admin and Yohimbe, what were your results like? And how would you compare simpler short ester test cycles to slightly longer (10-12 week) long ester test cycles or even test combo cycles?

The gains you get from the first cycle are always going to be best. If i had done my diet better I think the gains would have been better than the tren cycle i did-nothing like virgin receptors.

I prefer short cycles-6-7 weeks, usually with short esters. On the long cycles i have run generally find the gains all but dry up by week 7 or 8.
I did a short cycle with a front load with EQ for 4 weeks and then rode the ester. Was fairly happy with the result, other than that have only used short esters on short cycles.

One of the main reasons is that I find the recovery from a short cycle is much easier

vega5 wrote: 1000mg Super Test PW
750mg Tren E PW
700mg Equi PW
50mg dbol ED

This was an awesome cycle but it's a body killer. Never again!

thats heavy-how long was the cycle?

MK wrote: Admin and Yohimbe, what were your results like? And how would you compare simpler short ester test cycles to slightly longer (10-12 week) long ester test cycles or even test combo cycles?

Can't remember how much weight I gained, but I remember it was good and you could immediately notice the visual difference.

I've been off gear for some time now and recently dieted using one of DJ's diets and now that the body fat is low I'm going to do another cycle. Hopefully I will have great results, but my diet will be lean as I don't want too much fat gain.

you must keep us updated on your next cycle admin

Thanks Yohimbe and Admin.

I keep being pulled away from current decisions for my upcoming cycle, juggling between short or long ester tests or test combos.

Been doing some research, and what I generally find is that many people claim that "Test is Test" and the results off Test Prop don't differ much in terms of that of a longer Cyp/Enth cycle.

These people back up their claims by saying that an 8 week Test Prop cycle kickstarted with 5 weeks of Tbol for example will help build clean solid mass, provided diet is in check. They say that the results don't differ much from a 12 week Cyp/Enth cycle, as although you initially gain more mass in the beginning of the cycle the majority of that is water weight which you are very likely to lose after you stop the Test.

So for example, they say you could gain 6 solid kgs of Test Prop 150mg EOD for 8 weeks with 60mg Tbol ED for 5 weeks and keep it all. Then, using a longer ester also at around 500mg per week with the same kicker, you could gain more initially but inevitably after losing the water weight and fat you will end up with around 6kgs of extra muscle (obvioulsy not exact gains).

To weigh up the pros and cons of each, take a 12 week cycle of Test Cyp/Enth @ ~500mg EW:
*Addditional water is good for strength
*Less frequent injections
*Greater overall mass gain
BUT
*Slower 'kick-in' period
*Mass gain includes water and (probably) fat
*Weight loss Test is stopped
*(Arguably) longer recovery period

Then take 8 weeks of Test Prop @ 150mg EOD
*Fast 'kick-in' time
*Solid gains (minimal water & fat)
*Keep majority of gains
*Higher concentration of Test/ml
*Fast recovery
BUT
*Frequent injections
*Not as much mass gain

The more I read about the subject the more it makes me wonder why most people don't prefer shorter Prop cycles over longer Cyp/Enth cycles. Long esters seem to take 4-6 weeks to kick in, leaving 6-8 weeks of gains. Short esters take 1.5-2 weeks to kick in, leaving around 6 weeks of gains. I'm sure if your diet was tweaked to ensure you get enough calories, Prop could be used to 'bulk' and gain quality lean mass that you can keep?

What are your guys' opinions on the subject? I am really interested in finding out more about this, couldn't find much on the search option on this site, but would love to know more about it. Thanks.

DJ wrote: Right now I am not in the best shape bud, 14-15% body fat,I have been off everything for over 7months now trying to get my wife pregnant, so training has been up and down, also I haven't been able to do cardio for the last 12 weeks due to an injury to my foot, but I have still been training, I wear a size 34 pants so I am not too over the top,I am generally a 31 or 32inch waist...

Cycle I started at 100 at about 16% body fat,and when I met vega I was 107kgs at 9% all on my stomach and lower back as its my genetic make up. Striated triceps and quads.

Hey DJ, you say you are trying to get your wife pregnant. Do you reckon all the juice has a direct effect on fertility or are you just playing it safe in case. I'm also gonna think about having kids in the near future so would be great to get your view on it.

Relating to the topic, I have two very successful cycles in my books:

20 weeks altogether including test prop, masteron prop, equi, tren A, winstrol, Norditropin & Humatrope

My last cycle was also really good which was: test prop, masteron prop, primobolan enan and anavar

Funny enough its not been my fault on my side,its been the fact my wife has been on the pill for 15 years,and she wasn't ovulating because of it,so I will be booking a visit to the gyne with her to see if we can speed the ovulation process

MK wrote: Thanks Yohimbe and Admin.

I keep being pulled away from current decisions for my upcoming cycle, juggling between short or long ester tests or test combos.

Been doing some research, and what I generally find is that many people claim that "Test is Test" and the results off Test Prop don't differ much in terms of that of a longer Cyp/Enth cycle.

These people back up their claims by saying that an 8 week Test Prop cycle kickstarted with 5 weeks of Tbol for example will help build clean solid mass, provided diet is in check. They say that the results don't differ much from a 12 week Cyp/Enth cycle, as although you initially gain more mass in the beginning of the cycle the majority of that is water weight which you are very likely to lose after you stop the Test.

So for example, they say you could gain 6 solid kgs of Test Prop 150mg EOD for 8 weeks with 60mg Tbol ED for 5 weeks and keep it all. Then, using a longer ester also at around 500mg per week with the same kicker, you could gain more initially but inevitably after losing the water weight and fat you will end up with around 6kgs of extra muscle (obvioulsy not exact gains).

To weigh up the pros and cons of each, take a 12 week cycle of Test Cyp/Enth @ ~500mg EW:
*Addditional water is good for strength
*Less frequent injections
*Greater overall mass gain
BUT
*Slower 'kick-in' period
*Mass gain includes water and (probably) fat
*Weight loss Test is stopped
*(Arguably) longer recovery period

Then take 8 weeks of Test Prop @ 150mg EOD
*Fast 'kick-in' time
*Solid gains (minimal water & fat)
*Keep majority of gains
*Higher concentration of Test/ml
*Fast recovery
BUT
*Frequent injections
*Not as much mass gain

The more I read about the subject the more it makes me wonder why most people don't prefer shorter Prop cycles over longer Cyp/Enth cycles. Long esters seem to take 4-6 weeks to kick in, leaving 6-8 weeks of gains. Short esters take 1.5-2 weeks to kick in, leaving around 6 weeks of gains. I'm sure if your diet was tweaked to ensure you get enough calories, Prop could be used to 'bulk' and gain quality lean mass that you can keep?

What are your guys' opinions on the subject? I am really interested in finding out more about this, couldn't find much on the search option on this site, but would love to know more about it. Thanks.

I don't buy that you get more mass with longer ester-test is test. The only reason for that is more water retention and residual test from the half life clearing.
If you use test enth with 10 day half life and inject 100mg, by day 10 you will have 50mg still to be released, by day 20 will have 25mg to be released for the next half life by day 30 will have 12.5mg for the third half life
www.1728.org/halflife.htm
So there is a build up in your system and this means there is an effectively higher dose than with a shorter ester as time goes on as the shorter ester clears far quicker within the injection interval
By the same token though, from your last pin of test enth you will still have 12.5mg to be released into your system 30 days later so the timing of pct is important as there is suppressing effects while you still have that exogensous test in your system
This is why people still suffer from suppression effects of a highly suppressive steroid like deca with a long half for a long period after coming off. From you last pin of deca you will still have deca in your system 3 months later exerting a suppressive effect and then there are the deca metabolites that hang around for a long time as well.

The reason i like short esters is that it will have cleared from your system quicker and allow you to recover much quicker. You need to look at the retention of gains post cycle not only the gains on cycle.
Test ester blends make the half life calc very complicated as you have a range of esters each leaving your system at different time intervals

DJ wrote: Funny enough its not been my fault on my side,its been the fact my wife has been on the pill for 15 years,and she wasn't ovulating because of it,so I will be booking a visit to the gyne with her to see if we can speed the ovulation process

Good luck
Have you been tested for fertility?

Thanks very much Yohimbe.

Would you recommend a short ester Test cycle over a longer ester or test combo if trying to lean 'bulk', if I can put it that way?

MK wrote: Thanks very much Yohimbe.

Would you recommend a short ester Test cycle over a longer ester or test combo if trying to lean 'bulk', if I can put it that way?

I would-bulk is going to come from diet more than anything else, not the type of test you're using, so it comes down to personal preference of whether you like longer cycles or shorter cycles

Remember though, test prop is a bitch of an injection compared to test enth. You get used to it, but first time feels like you've kicked by a horse.

Will take that into consideration. I also really like the idea of a shorter cycle producing similar results to a longer cycle, but with quicker recovery therefore the ability to keep gains. Thank you.

Yohimbe wrote:

DJ wrote: Funny enough its not been my fault on my side,its been the fact my wife has been on the pill for 15 years,and she wasn't ovulating because of it,so I will be booking a visit to the gyne with her to see if we can speed the ovulation process

Good luck
Have you been tested for fertility?

No I haven't but did an extended pct after my cycle last year,3 bottles of kessar,ovidrel and aromasin so I got no problem with my swimmers it may seem,my wife has been testing for ovulation every day for the last 4 months and no ovulation has happened,so its her eggs that are rotten haha

DJ wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

DJ wrote: Funny enough its not been my fault on my side,its been the fact my wife has been on the pill for 15 years,and she wasn't ovulating because of it,so I will be booking a visit to the gyne with her to see if we can speed the ovulation process

Good luck
Have you been tested for fertility?

No I haven't but did an extended pct after my cycle last year,3 bottles of kessar,ovidrel and aromasin so I got no problem with my swimmers it may seem,my wife has been testing for ovulation every day for the last 4 months and no ovulation has happened,so its her eggs that are rotten haha

Goodluck with that, hope things work out