2nd Cycle Advise

Flex Gang
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21 Nov 2012 12:14 #128743 by Flex Gang

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Shot Santa

So its

week1-10 - test
week 7-15 - anavar ( would 60mg a day be fine)
pct starts day after last anavar tab. (nolva / clomid / pregnyl)
Milk thistle before and right until the end

Tell me what does bridge mean?
Is that maybe when i start the anavar 7 weeks in? Is that called a bridge?

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Flex Gang
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21 Nov 2012 12:15 #128744 by Flex Gang

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Have a lil Karma Santa

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Heretic47
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21 Nov 2012 12:42 #128746 by Heretic47

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Hey KM. I see the guys sorted you out nicely. Glad to see you don't fear injections. "bridge" refers to the waiting period between your last injection and the start of PCT.

The general rule for calculating the waiting period is 3x half life of longest ester. Example: test cyp the half is 12 days. so 3x12=36 days. That's how Manery got the waiting time

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21 Nov 2012 13:50 #128751 by Santa

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@KM, thanx bud,
I don't know if you have read through the info on this site, under the articles there is an information page, with loads of info for you, and that will give you a good idea.

Let us know if you have any other questions/issues, and we will help out where we can.

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Santa
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21 Nov 2012 13:55 #128752 by Santa

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I had a look through the thread, and can see any of your stats?
Also, is your diet spot on, we can help you out with that too. I made the mistake previously on going on a cycle with a crap diet, and that was a couple of grand that I pissed away... :blush:

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Flex Gang
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21 Nov 2012 19:44 #128769 by Flex Gang

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Heretic47 wrote: Hey KM. I see the guys sorted you out nicely. Glad to see you don't fear injections. "bridge" refers to the waiting period between your last injection and the start of PCT.

The general rule for calculating the waiting period is 3x half life of longest ester. Example: test cyp the half is 12 days. so 3x12=36 days. That's how Manery got the waiting time

yeah they have been, very helpful. all info is useful and informative, ok now im starting to understand that.

dont get me wrong lol....i was one of those guys, but i though to myself...when i was younger i did worse things to my body....so why not try something that will assist in my goals...just have to keep perect on my diet and training to

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Flex Gang
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21 Nov 2012 19:48 #128770 by Flex Gang

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@santa

my diet is as per below. all food is weighed out etc. just a quick idea
Bfast
Oats
Eggs
Whey
10:00
Whey + PB
Lunch
Tuna
Olive Oil
15:00
Chicken + veg + salad
Pre
Oats + banana
Post
Whey glucose
Supper
Chicken/Steak
Potatoe
Pre bed
Whey + pb

dude u dont wanna know how muc i wasted on diets from others that just looked for a quick buck, until i got one from the master. never looked back since lol
my main thing was to get my diet 100's....then go from there

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Pyroclasm
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21 Nov 2012 21:30 #128774 by Pyroclasm

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That diet structure looks good but we will have to have the exact measuring of each meal.

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Flex Gang
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21 Nov 2012 22:45 - 21 Nov 2012 22:47 #128778 by Flex Gang

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oats 60g
2eggs
Tuna 1 and a half tins
chicken 170g
morning whey 30g
during the day whey 40g
glucose 50g
potato 200g
pb 15-20g

that is the measurements i use

pls crit if necessary

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Last edit: 21 Nov 2012 22:47 by Flex Gang. Reason: wrong chicken info

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 10:54 #128790 by Santa

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I have to agree with Pyro, your diet is looking good, carbs at the right times, quality protein, etc. You mentioned that you received the diet from the master, is this our diet and prep master on the forum?

You have any stats for us? (Age,weight,height, etc)

I assume your calories are currently over maintenance? If this is the case, and you keep at your diet, I am sure you will be very pleased with your results when running your cycle.

Also, it was previously mentioned in the tread, but if you are going for test c, it is also common to front load your cycle with something that will "kick" in earlier.

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Flex Gang
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22 Nov 2012 12:06 #128798 by Flex Gang

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thats right Santa. The one and only diet guru on this forum.

Im not to sure what u mean, calories ar eover maintenance? Can you explain please?

"kick" in ealier? what u mean..something like dbol?
was thinking of test c yes....do u think sust will be better for a first timer? Or do i just stick to test E/C

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 12:50 #128801 by Santa

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My man, then you are in excellent hands, as he knows his stuff.

Calories, I was just wondering if you are eating more calories than you need, ie bulking, or are you eating less calories, ie cutting?

I would not take sust as a first timer, seeing it contains test with different half lifes. By picking 1 and sticking with it, you will be able to easily see how you react to that certain ester type, and that will help you designing any future cycles.

If you decide to go test c, it is common to frontload with something like dbol/tbol, and even test p that will "kick" in early, seeing as the test c might take some time before you actually see any results.

Check out www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...steroid-cycle-basics everything is discussed there.

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22 Nov 2012 14:07 #128809 by Flex Gang

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yes im eating less calories....i actually finished with him a few months ago already...so im just sticking to the last one i got.

ok cool, thanks for the sust info dude...

so tell me, regarding the frontload....is it a must to take one, before i start with the test?

ok cool, with stick with test e or c....got any idea which is best for a first timer?

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 14:24 #128810 by Santa

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That makes sense, I was wondering why he is not able to assist you with your cycle...
A front load is not required, although you might gain a bit more with a front load, and you will start seeing results faster, but that also introduce additional side effects...so it is really up to preference...
Test e or c, does not matter, what ever rocks your boat, e is bit stronger than c, but this is really nitpicking...e will also have a shorter bridge period.

Stats Bud?

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Flex Gang
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22 Nov 2012 14:47 #128811 by Flex Gang

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Stats
Age 28
Height 169cm
Weight 80kg ( i was 90kg at the start of everthing, and i seem to be maintaing 80-81kg)
Bf: need to get me a new one as the plastic one i had broke

shot for that info also.

So basically i will be needing the following:

1 x Test C 200mg (Axio)
2 x LP Anavar
1 x clomid
1 x nolva
1 x pregnyl
milk thistle from when i start taking the Anavar up until pct it complete

Does that sound about right?

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 15:35 - 22 Nov 2012 15:37 #128817 by Santa

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Bud, what dosage are you planning to run the test (mg)? I doubt 1 vial will be enough, unless the vial is huge, which I doubt. Also, I see the var will be ran for 9 weeks, 63 days, 3 caps a day if it is LP dosed at 20mg, so ya, 2 bottles will also not be enough.

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Flex Gang
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22 Nov 2012 15:39 #128818 by Flex Gang

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then its as per below

8weeks - 3 x Anavar 40-60mg a day
Test, .5ml....this what my friend recommended, as het was taking sust in that way

have u got a suggestion on how to take the test?

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 16:05 #128819 by Santa

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For when are you planning your cycle?

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Flex Gang
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22 Nov 2012 20:53 #128822 by Flex Gang

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prob end of Jan next year.

wanna try and get something end of each mont until then

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Santa
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22 Nov 2012 21:08 #128823 by Santa

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Bud, I know you dont want to hear this, but you seriously need to do more research. Those test dosages are way off. What are your plans if sides start flaring up? Do you know why you need all the different pct products?

I'm not saying you won't be able to start your cycle at the end of jan, but you need to do your research to know what you will be doing to your body.

Luckily you are at the right place for help, as this forum really has a lot of well informed guys.
Sorry, i am not trying to be a dick or anything, just trying to help.

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Flex Gang
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22 Nov 2012 21:31 #128825 by Flex Gang

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i was supposed to type 0.5

no not at all dude.

..its better to tell it like it is
i would prefer that than get random info from other people that i hardly know...thats why i posted this topic to hear the in's and out's etc

well, from what i know, pct is required to regulate or get back your normal test levels?

im not saying im def gonna do it end Jan, i first wanna geta ll my ducks in a row, then decide properly if im gonna do it or what

please fell free to give any and all advise that u can.

i know i have taken gear before, but that was all orals. and i know this is completely different.

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22 Nov 2012 21:32 #128826 by Flex Gang

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btw, u right there. i have no idea what to do if sides start happening

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22 Nov 2012 23:45 #128829 by Pyroclasm

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Agree with Santa you need to do a lot more reading bud. That cycle you are planning is just useless. Have a look at this site's sample cycle to give you a better idea of what a proper cycle looks like- www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1 , with PCT. You need Arimidex on hand in case gyno (bitchtits) show up at the party.

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Santa
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23 Nov 2012 07:35 #128834 by Santa

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Agree with Pyro, check out that sample cycle, and then we can take it from there.

Hats off to you for approaching this with a great attitude, and not rushing into things. I know its difficult to wait, but you will be doing the right thing.

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Flex Gang
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23 Nov 2012 09:21 #128840 by Flex Gang

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Pyroclasm wrote: Agree with Santa you need to do a lot more reading bud. That cycle you are planning is just useless. Have a look at this site's sample cycle to give you a better idea of what a proper cycle looks like- www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1 , with PCT. You need Arimidex on hand in case gyno (bitchtits) show up at the party.

Thnkas Pyro, the reason why i didnt look at this is coz i wasjnt looking for a bulking cylce. Mainly looking for a cutting cycle, thats why i asked in the beginnining about the Anavar and Proviron cycle.

But apprciatte the advise given

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