Biginner cutting and strength cycle + test help?

Hi im gona stary my 1st cycle soon

If i do this cycle www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/21-cycle-2 and add 150mg Test p EOD is this a good cycle? also what should i add to the PCT and what do i take if gyno shows up or do i take something throughout the cycle to prevent that?

any help would be appreciated
Thanks

Hey Juicy can you give as some stats, everyone is going to ask for them.

Test Prop for n first cycle, you brave man. Pinning eod on your first cycle wont be fun. But if you wish to do Prop, 100mg eod will be enough for a first run.

Also how will the diet look and what are your goals for the cycle?

Hi Ive given my stats before and asked around for some info also Ive been doing a lot of reading the last few months.

I'm 23 years old and my bf is around 10-12 at the moment(was 8-9) end of last year, Ive been training for over 6 years. i feel Ive reached my natural limit. my diet is good and Ive had success with getting bigger and leaner the last few years. also my training is in check i follow a 4-5 day split at the moment and my strength is also good(can squat 2x body weight and bench 1.5 times body weight and max a lot of machines in the gym with good form).

My goal with this cycle is to gain some lean mass and strength

All help would greatly be appreciated

Thanks

Weight and height? I'm just curious I don't care what your stats are when you start.

CHAPEL wrote: Weight and height? I'm just curious I don't care what your stats are when you start.

Hi Chapel, thanks for replying. Ive posted a similar thread previously where you helped me! my stats are 1.75 @ 80kg.

previous tread your posted a cycle like this

"1-8 Prop 150mg EOD
1-8 Var 60-80mg per day
1-10 Prov 40-60mg per day

8-10: 500iU hCG EOD
11-15: Clomid & Nolva

Keeping letro or adex on hand is fine for when/if gyno flares up. "

i created this thread just to get some more input and perfect this cycle that's why i wanted to know if i can take that beginner var and proviron cycles dosage in the link i provided. also would it be necessary to take a anti estrogen with the cycle to prevent gyno? thanks

OK what Ive gotten sofar

(8weeks)Test prop 150mg Day 1-55 EOD
(8weeks)Anavar Day 1-6 @ 40mg Day 7-10 @ 60 mg Day 11-55 @ 80mg
(10 weeks)Proviron Day 1-15@ 50mg Day 16-70 @75mg

HCG day 56-69 EOD
Clomid day 71-77
Nolvadex day 78-108

Il be using LP for the Anavar, PGW for the test and Schering for the proviron

also IL be keeping adex on hand for if gyno appears

Please give some feedback

Thanks

Add milk thistle throughout cycle and pct. Cycle looks good for lean mass and strenght.

No milk thistle on cycle as it will affect your gains. Rather use Liv52 or Essentiale or Cruciale.

Pyroclasm wrote: No milk thistle on cycle as it will affect your gains. Rather use Liv52 or Essentiale or Cruciale.

I have never had issues, i think you will only notice this if you into prof bodybuilding / show.

ok shot guys thanks. aslo did i put the HCG in the right time? and what is better to keep for if gyno shows up? adex or letro? and should i only use these when i start seeing symptoms of gyno or should i incorporate this in the cycle?

Thanks

wortelstrok wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: No milk thistle on cycle as it will affect your gains. Rather use Liv52 or Essentiale or Cruciale.

I have never had issues, i think you will only notice this if you into prof bodybuilding / show.

Gains lost are gains lost weather pro or amateur. Its been discussed in great length on various threads on the forum search a bit and you'll learn something new

ag ok ok, 10000 vs 1, i still use it

JuicyJuice wrote: ok shot guys thanks. aslo did i put the HCG in the right time? and what is better to keep for if gyno shows up? adex or letro? and should i only use these when i start seeing symptoms of gyno or should i incorporate this in the cycle?

Thanks

Adex is better but more expensive. I.m.o well worth the premium you pay cause Letro is a whore. You should wait for gyno symptoms to appear e.g itchy/puffy nipples, lumps on the breast tissue, etc.

Rather run the HCG for 10 weeks prior to PCT at 250x2iu per week.

Pyroclasm wrote:

JuicyJuice wrote: ok shot guys thanks. aslo did i put the HCG in the right time? and what is better to keep for if gyno shows up? adex or letro? and should i only use these when i start seeing symptoms of gyno or should i incorporate this in the cycle?

Thanks

Adex is better but more expensive. I.m.o well worth the premium you pay cause Letro is a whore. You should wait for gyno symptoms to appear e.g itchy/puffy nipples, lumps on the breast tissue, etc.

Rather run the HCG for 10 weeks prior to PCT at 250x2iu per week.

Thanks Pyro, so so then i start with 250ui two times a week for the entire time? like start on week 1 with everything then end it with the proviron and then start pct?

like this

(8weeks)Test prop 150mg Day 1-55 EOD
(8weeks)Anavar Day 1-6 @ 40mg Day 7-10 @ 60 mg Day 11-55 @ 80mg
(10 weeks)Proviron Day 1-15@ 50mg Day 16-70 @75mg
(10 weeks) HCG 2 times a week 250UI (lets say Monday and Thursday

start clomid on week 11 (2x50mg) for 7 days
start nolvadex week 12 for 30 days @ 20 mg a day?

also if gyno symptoms start how should i run the Adex?
Thanks

Yes that's right but WTF to the Proviron and Anavar dosages?? However because you are using Prop rather start the HCG at week 3 then use whatever is left during PCT.

For the Adex if gyno symptoms appear then do:
Week 1: 0.5mg EOD (bump up to 1mg EOD if gyno does not subside after a couple of days)
Week 2: 0.25mg EOD
Week 3: 0.25 mg Twice a week

It is very NB to taper off the Adex to prevent estrogen rebound!

Pyroclasm wrote: Yes that's right but WTF to the Proviron and Anavar dosages?? However because you are using Prop rather start the HCG at week 3 then use whatever is left during PCT.

For the Adex if gyno symptoms appear then do:
Week 1: 0.5mg EOD (bump up to 1mg EOD if gyno does not subside after a couple of days)
Week 2: 0.25mg EOD
Week 3: 0.25 mg Twice a week

It is very NB to taper off the Adex to prevent estrogen rebound!

Thanks man. will keep that in mind for if gyno shows. so then i take the hcg for 10 weeks from week 3 @ 250ui x2 per week?. anavar dosages was wat i found on the biginner anavar+proviron cycle? also i get proviron in 25 mg tablets thats why i made it like that? how should i change the anavar and proviron dosages? what would you suggest?

also how does the timing on this cycle work? do i inject all the stuff in the morning for that day and take the pills with that? or do i spread it out?

Thanks again

Pyroclasm wrote: ....
It is very NB to taper off the Adex to prevent estrogen rebound!

Or throw a couple of days Aromasin in there.

Your dosages are fine I am sorry bro I read wrong. I would not do 80mg Anavar on a first cycle stick to 60mg. Personally I would run the Anavar at 60mg throughout but I do not want to challenge the mods. Run the Proviron at 50mg throughout 75mg will be a waste for such a cycle.
Why do you want to run Test Prop for your first cycle? EOD pinning is a bitch dude and you are not even comfortable with pinning yet. I will answer your pinning question after you answer this.

Pyroclasm wrote: Your dosages are fine I am sorry bro I read wrong. I would not do 80mg Anavar on a first cycle stick to 60mg. Personally I would run the Anavar at 60mg throughout but I do not want to challenge the mods. Run the Proviron at 50mg throughout 75mg will be a waste for such a cycle.
Why do you want to run Test Prop for your first cycle? EOD pinning is a bitch dude and you are not even comfortable with pinning yet. I will answer your pinning question after you answer this.

No spesific reason on running P just thought its a bit better? i can also run Test E? would this be better for first cycle? then something like this

Test E (week 1-10) @ 200mg every 3rd day (or 250? x2 a week like monday and thursday)
Anavar (week 3-10) @ 60mg (dont know if i should change the weeks of var? please comment)
Proviron (week 1-10) 50 mg
HCG (week 1-10) at 250ui x2 a week

then when should i start my PCT? 30 days after last test shot? and will nolva and clomid be fine?

if you have a better layout of this type of cycle with the test E then also post it otherwise comment on how i can perfect this cycle

Thanks man

Test Prop into virgin muscle is a slut dude! I definately recommend Test-En or Test-Cyp for your first cycle- better pinning schedule and quite painless. I.m.o this is the best first cycle anyone can do:

Week 1-12: Test-En @2x300mg per week (I.e two shots of 300mg per shot)
Week 1-6: T-Bol @60mg ED (Better for lean mass)
OR
Week 1-6: D-Bol @50mg ED (Better for bulking)
Week 4-14: Proviron @3x20mg ED
Week 7-14: Anavar @3x20mg ED
Week 5-14: HCG @2x250iu per week
Week 8-14: Clenbuterol
Week 8-14: Yohimbine @10mg ED
Week 8-14: Betasleep @1tab before bed

Whether or not you add the Clen + Yohimbine is up to you but I think it's absolutely awesome! Do your research thoroughly before you use it please.

On hand in case of gyno: Arimidex

PCT starts 30 days after last shot of Test-En

PCT
Day 1-7: Clomid @2x50mg ED
Day 8-37: Nolvadex @20mg ED

Very nice cycle ! I am on that 99% , just test prop not E and i cant find betasleep :blink:

You can find it at any pharmacy. Just go to the prescription meds and ask for it. If they don't have it then go for Ketotifen Syrup. They won't know what that is so tell them you want Adco-Zetofen.

Pyroclasm wrote: Test Prop into virgin muscle is a slut dude! I definately recommend Test-En or Test-Cyp for your first cycle- better pinning schedule and quite painless. I.m.o this is the best first cycle anyone can do:

Week 1-12: Test-En @2x300mg per week (I.e two shots of 300mg per shot)
Week 1-6: T-Bol @60mg ED (Better for lean mass)
OR
Week 1-6: D-Bol @50mg ED (Better for bulking)
Week 4-14: Proviron @3x20mg ED
Week 7-14: Anavar @3x20mg ED
Week 5-14: HCG @2x250iu per week
Week 8-14: Clenbuterol
Week 8-14: Yohimbine @10mg ED
Week 8-14: Betasleep @1tab before bed

Whether or not you add the Clen + Yohimbine is up to you but I think it's absolutely awesome! Do your research thoroughly before you use it please.

On hand in case of gyno: Arimidex

PCT starts 30 days after last shot of Test-En

PCT
Day 1-7: Clomid @2x50mg ED
Day 8-37: Nolvadex @20mg ED

OK cool thanks will consider that cycles, The 1st of your suggested cycles, do you also have to take liver pills like essentials?

And if i decide to go with my cycle is this correct? or is there something you would change?

Test E (week 1-10) @ 300mg x2 a week
Anavar (week 3-10) @ 60mg
Proviron (week 1-10) 50 mg
HCG (week 1-10) at 250ui x2 a week

PCT 30 days after last TEST-EN

Thanks

Oh and adding to my above post, your cycle suggestion is 60Mg proviron. if i get it in 25mg pills how do i take it the? 50mg or 75? and please also comment on the timing of taking the pills and injections

thanks

Not exactly. You want to run the Anavar for 8 weeks in total and your last pill must be 2 days before PCT starts. Also you only need HCG from about week 6 if you are using test-en. So for that one I would do:
Week 1-10: Test-En
Week 5-13: Anavar @3x20mg ED
Week 4-13: Proviron @2x25mg
Week 6-13: HCG @250iu per week

Then same for PCT except add whatever of the HCG is left when you start the Nolva.