Biginner cutting and strength cycle + test help?

JuicyJuice wrote: Oh and adding to my above post, your cycle suggestion is 60Mg proviron. if i get it in 25mg pills how do i take it the? 50mg or 75? and please also comment on the timing of taking the pills and injections

thanks

I just gave you the timing.
Test-En twice a week e.g Monday night + thursday morning
Anavar three times a day I.e morning, noon and night
So on and so forth..

If you have 25mg Proviron tabs then run 2x25mg per day. Same shit different pile.

Pyroclasm wrote: Not exactly. You want to run the Anavar for 8 weeks in total and your last pill must be 2 days before PCT starts. Also you only need HCG from about week 6 if you are using test-en. So for that one I would do:
Week 1-10: Test-En
Week 5-13: Anavar @3x20mg ED
Week 4-13: Proviron @2x25mg
Week 6-13: HCG @250iu per week

Then same for PCT except add whatever of the HCG is left when you start the Nolva.

ok cool tahnks

just making sure i understand right. this is how you suggest a better one than the one i was planning on?

Week 1-12: Test-En @2x300mg per week (I.e two shots of 300mg per shot)
Week 1-6: T-Bol @60mg ED
Week 4-14: Proviron @3x20mg ED
Week 7-14: Anavar @3x20mg ED
Week 5-14: HCG @2x250iu per week
Week 8-14: Clenbuterol
Week 8-14: Yohimbine @10mg ED
Week 8-14: Betasleep @1tab before bed


On hand in case of gyno: Arimidex

PCT starts 30 days after last shot of Test-En

PCT
Day 1-7: Clomid @2x50mg ED
Day 8-37: Nolvadex @20mg ED

thanks man you are awesome

Yes that's right bro. It's a pleasure! Remember to run liver support during the cycle. If I were you I would start tomorrow to make sure your liver is as strong as possible. Something like Liv 52 (the best but kak expensive) or Essentiale/Cruciale. Not milk thistle. On the flip side I am quite serious when I say you have to make sure you know what you are doing to use Clen otherwise it is very dangerous!!

Pyroclasm wrote: Yes that's right bro. It's a pleasure! Remember to run liver support during the cycle. If I were you I would start tomorrow to make sure your liver is as strong as possible. Something like Liv 52 (the best but kak expensive) or Essentiale/Cruciale. Not milk thistle. On the flip side I am quite serious when I say you have to make sure you know what you are doing to use Clen otherwise it is very dangerous!!

Shot man will get the liver tabs then. also i don't think IL be doing clen with this cycle, IL do that on a next one.(Ive done clen only with zetofen not so long ago) and then the tbol do i also take that in 3 different times or all at once? and what type of gains should i expect on this if i train hard and diet right?

Hahaha :lol: That question is kinda a running joke on this site. I should be giving you a healthy dose of sarcasm but since I used all of my sarcasm on my GF last night I am not gonna use it. If you get your diet and training absolutely spot on (I don't mean dietician spot on I mean DJ diet spot on) then you can expect anything from 1-1.5kgs per week. So about 12-15kgs in total. But it's so dependent on genetics and training and diet that it's impossible to say. Hence the opportunity for sarcasm.

Pyroclasm wrote: Hahaha :lol: That question is kinda a running joke on this site. I should be giving you a healthy dose of sarcasm but since I used all of my sarcasm on my GF last night I am not gonna use it. If you get your diet and training absolutely spot on (I don't mean dietician spot on I mean DJ diet spot on) then you can expect anything from 1-1.5kgs per week. So about 12-15kgs in total. But it's so dependent on genetics and training and diet that it's impossible to say. Hence the opportunity for sarcasm.

Haha ok thanks bro you've helped me a lot really! will keep you updated

Sas wrote: ag ok ok, 10000 vs 1, i still use it

Basically SAS the liver does not matabolise all the AAS at once a little is left behind..
so milk thistle clears all ...essential or liver 52 doesnt...now the question is do u wont the little extra gain or a more healthy liver ? some choose gains some healthier liver personal choice at the end of the day

Milk thistle actually strengthens your liver cells' membrane so that they can filter more toxins before they get damaged. So it's best to start taking it BEFORE you start your cycle so your liver is ready for some pounding from the dbol and other orals.

Pyroclasm wrote: Hahaha :lol: That question is kinda a running joke on this site. I should be giving you a healthy dose of sarcasm but since I used all of my sarcasm on my GF last night I am not gonna use it. If you get your diet and training absolutely spot on (I don't mean dietician spot on I mean DJ diet spot on) then you can expect anything from 1-1.5kgs per week. So about 12-15kgs in total. But it's so dependent on genetics and training and diet that it's impossible to say. Hence the opportunity for sarcasm.

Hi Pyro just a few more questions. will one HCG last me for 10 weeks or does it expire? also how do i store the unmixed product? at room temp or in the fridge? and do i take the Tbol all at once or split it up during the day?

Thanks bro

Golden rule- Always split your dosage as much as possible to provide the most stable possible blood levels. So if you are taking 60mg T-Bol, split it up into 3x20mg taken morning, noon, and night. Also It's not a train smash if on one of the days you take say 40mg in the morning and 20mg at night because for some reason you couldn't take it in the afternoon. You can store the dry powder in a cold dark place doesn't have to be in the fridge.

Pyroclasm wrote: Golden rule- Always split your dosage as much as possible to provide the most stable possible blood levels. So if you are taking 60mg T-Bol, split it up into 3x20mg taken morning, noon, and night. Also It's not a train smash if on one of the days you take say 40mg in the morning and 20mg at night because for some reason you couldn't take it in the afternoon. You can store the dry powder in a cold dark place doesn't have to be in the fridge.

Shot thanks! and the pregnyl after mixing how long can it be stored in the fridge? according to your cycle Im gona use it for 10 weeks. Will I need more than one HCG then? I have a 5000IU after mixing but i dont know if this will stay good for the 10 week period? what do you suggest?

It will be good for longer than 10 weeks bro. You will only need the one.

JuicyJuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Golden rule- Always split your dosage as much as possible to provide the most stable possible blood levels. So if you are taking 60mg T-Bol, split it up into 3x20mg taken morning, noon, and night. Also It's not a train smash if on one of the days you take say 40mg in the morning and 20mg at night because for some reason you couldn't take it in the afternoon. You can store the dry powder in a cold dark place doesn't have to be in the fridge.

Shot thanks! and the pregnyl after mixing how long can it be stored in the fridge? according to your cycle Im gona use it for 10 weeks. Will I need more than one HCG then? I have a 5000IU after mixing but i dont know if this will stay good for the 10 week period? what do you suggest?

I read on another post here that it should last 30 days after mixing if refridgerated. Do a search for HCG, lots of recent posts with lots of info.

Reconstructed refrigerated Hcg will last anything from 3-6months.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Reconstructed refrigerated Hcg will last anything from 3-6months.

My bad, I could have sworn I read 30 days, thanks for clearing that up. Such a variety of opinions on the web though, anything from 30 days to 6 months.

Hey Pyro. the way you suggested adex dose for gyno is only 3 weeks? is that all that is needed? also if i want to run it throughout my cycle how should i take it and how wil it affect my gains? im 1 week into cycle now and i dont know if im paranoid or what but my nipples are more puffy than usual and when my chest is pumped it feels like something under my nipple i dont know if its just fat or what but its not sensetive. i just want to know if i should start taking the adex or what i should do?

Thanks

FatBoy wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Reconstructed refrigerated Hcg will last anything from 3-6months.

My bad, I could have sworn I read 30 days, thanks for clearing that up. Such a variety of opinions on the web though, anything from 30 days to 6 months.

+1 I also red it somewhere, but thx for the info .pr0g

JuicyJuice wrote: Hey Pyro. the way you suggested adex dose for gyno is only 3 weeks? is that all that is needed? also if i want to run it throughout my cycle how should i take it and how wil it affect my gains? im 1 week into cycle now and i dont know if im paranoid or what but my nipples are more puffy than usual and when my chest is pumped it feels like something under my nipple i dont know if its just fat or what but its not sensetive. i just want to know if i should start taking the adex or what i should do?

Thanks

Itchy nipples ? ..then 3 drops letro ED till it subsides then 3 drops EOD..

Take .02mg eod . (Anastrozole )(5 drops) as precaution with 50-100ml water

And if you have symptoms do as mike say above

Oupa wrote: Take .02mg eod . (Anastrozole )(5 drops) as precaution with 50-100ml water

3 drops = 0.25mg Oupa ? letro

mike123 wrote:

Oupa wrote: Take .02mg eod . (Anastrozole )(5 drops) as precaution with 50-100ml water

3 drops = 0.25mg Oupa ? letro

5drops is 0.5mg letro. 3 drops is .3mg letro dis hoe eke dit verstaan.....

Week 1 with a long ester I strongly doubt it's gyno! Lols You are definately paranoid.

could be gyno symptoms. i get symptoms of gyne very early in cycle. last cycle i got symptoms after 8 days.

Frontload ...orals

Just use the precautionary drugs to prevent groot kak