My 10 week cycle of deca dianabol and sust250

chieppa wrote: someone i know is 22 now and told me he did this exact same cycle with deca and got good results without the side affects you are all complaining about. Don't know if I should read more or go with the opinions ive received. Ive researched and i must say i am on the wary side...

Dude ten to one your friend would have gotten the same results if he used cyp...and some newbies dont
know they have sides like gyno because they dont know what to look out for.

why put double price rocket fuel into your car if normal petrol works fine....

Somehow I get the impression that the young ones want instant gratification, want to do max AAS in as short a time with the biggest gains. They are not patient enough to follow good advice and do their bit of blood, sweat and tears for a few years. No, they want it now...

Thing is - you dont know how your body reacts to the different compounds, so you start at the safe side - the beginner cycle.
If you eat right and get good results you might NEVER have to go on to the more harsh AAS.

19-nor shuts down your HPTA at the slightest dose and has added Progesterone side effects.
If you dont know how react to the test, how are you going to recocnize the differences in sides and how to treat them? Looking at your cycle you dont even know the litreture on how the compounds you intend to use works. Start slow and learn.

advice taken...

Started Test cyp at 1mg every second day running with 30 mg dianabol.

Will use sustanon and the nandro on my second cycle of bulking.

Please correct me if im wrong but i think this will be a good start

I'm guessing you mean 1ml every second day? That's 1000mg a week. That's a shit house of test for a first cycle, hope you've got letro or adex.
Test cyp only needs to be injected once or twice a week.

lan79- apologies but i meant to say that im doing propenate not cyponate.

when do you think i'll start seeing results on this cycle...

Thanks all for the helpful advice. I feel a lot more comfortable and confident now with your guys input

Thank god you were going to grow some serious man boobs:-)
with prop and dbol you'll feel it kick in quickly just keep your diet clean and eat eat eat. Your going to grow like a weed.

Good luck Bro
You made the right choice

Are you sure you know what you are in for if you choose Test-Prop? Test prop into virgin muscle is gonna hurt like hell! And you are gonna do this every second day which is very annoying. You will also need 4 injection sites to pin EOD instead of the one or two if you choose Cyp. That's FOUR virgin muscle spots! Why not rather use Test-En or Test-Cyp?

chieppa wrote: lan79- apologies but i meant to say that im doing propenate not cyponate.

when do you think i'll start seeing results on this cycle...

Thanks all for the helpful advice. I feel a lot more comfortable and confident now with your guys input

If u use prop u dont need dbol to front load ???? only with cyp ... and eod injects for a newby ????

Dbol and cyp injec once a week ...dbol kicks in 2 to 3 days cyp 3 to 4 weeks.... 5 to 7 weeks u will see a diff ....

If he thinks he can do EOD injections and doesn't mind the extra cost I don't see the problem. If it was me I'd just use the sus he already has but test is test and in my opinion the whole virgin muscle thing is hyped up.
As far as dbol goes at 30mg even with prop its not going to hurt him like the Deca may have so why not..?

Ian79 wrote: ......the whole virgin muscle thing is hyped up.

I don't agree, but respect your opinion.....

Ian79 wrote: If he thinks he can do EOD injections and doesn't mind the extra cost I don't see the problem. If it was me I'd just use the sus he already has but test is test and in my opinion the whole virgin muscle thing is hyped up.
As far as dbol goes at 30mg even with prop its not going to hurt him like the Deca may have so why not..?

Virgin muscle and he could end up with sore legs and arse at the same time .... as well as the fact that the needle can become intimedating for someone not used to injects....
Prop is fast acting so kicks in in the first week ...no need to frontload with Dbol..

Didn't you use prop on your first cycle Oupa?
I'm only speaking from my experience, my first cycle was Sus and I didn't find the injecting a problem at all and I only shot glutes

If u allready have the sust250 then go with that like Ian says...also no need to frontload ...

Read his post. He's already started and while there may be slightly better options there is nothing wrong with what he's doing if he's coping with the injecting and while he might not need a kick start he'll still benefit from using Dbol.

But u have allready started cyp ...then I dont see the problem..enjoy

actually u started Prop :lol:

Guys you have no idea how eina my birgin left glute is at the moment. It started feeling sore last night during gym and then while i was in bed it got worse. I hardly slepted because of the stiffness and woke up feeling bloody regretful. I operated at half pace today, couldnt do any seated exercises and driving was a bitch!

can i stop using the prop after my first week and start with the sustanon? i think im too sensative to the pain guys and thanks for the heads up btw.. i read that prop is the worst pain for the virgin muscle...well... that couldnt get much more accurate.

what a distraction but i guess no pain no gain?

i have sustanon that im ready to use and deca to sell for half the price i got it for.

bbm pin *********

Just a kind word, edit your post and take off your BBm pin, there is no selling or sourcing steroids allowed,

and as for the injection pain, you took the first step to inject, now stick it out, trust me, in 2-3 pins you will eat used to it, and it will no longer hurt after your injections, just pull your tampon out Hahaha,

Weather it's sus, or prop.. Virgin muscle is going to hurt no matter what, get some anti inflams if it's really that bad..

Good luck

1xCataflam D and 1xGenpayne and you will be fine bro. It's just virgin muscle that is all so like PP sais after 2-3 pins the pain will be dramatically less. Sus will be even worse than prop hey! I.m.o

Ian79 wrote: Didn't you use prop on your first cycle Oupa?

Yep i did, was fkn eina ! Cataflam worked overtime, but it was worth it at the end.

chieppa wrote: i have sustanon that im ready to use and deca to sell for half the price i got it for.

bbm pin *********

This is not a flea market. Read the rules. 3 day ban.

nvm

Sorry for trying to barter, I have read the forum rules and fully aware of the circumstances.

On wednesday i phoned my old family doctor up to see if he would consider doing my pins for me, turns out he's actaully one of the biggest legends around and is experienced with the different testosterone's as he gives his patients shots. Would you recommend that i get a prescription to buy at the pharmacy instead from my private guy as its a lot cheaper apparently. Is there any difference ?

Im sure you want to know how the virgin muscles are doing... well my first pin in my left buttocks still hurts! it turns out i was in the wrong location (you suppose to pin in the top left quadrant) and i shot directly beneath in 3rd quadrant where most of the muscle nerves are :ohmy: and i missed my sciatic nerve also known as the ischiadic nerve is a large nerve which runs from the lower back and through the buttock and down the lower limb. No wonder i couldn't walk on my left leg...what a dumbass! :lol:

My Doc pinned me with a 21 guage and i felt no pain and the soreness from the oil in my right buttock was still less painful than my first pin in my left buttock which actually still hurts. The genpayne works pretty well. Thanks so much Pyroclasm!

Always stay in top quadrant. you can do ventral and dorsal quadrant shots if there is swelling.

i disagree. If there is swelling then you cant inject or its not advisable should you want to initiate the same muscle