Equi / Testcyp. 3rd Cycle Planning.

3rd Cycle Planning.

Putting together 3rd cycle.
Age: 45
Weight: 86kg down from 90 last year.
Height: 182cms
Training: 6 days per week at the gym, alt days of resistence training and cardio/abs.
Diet clean, consisiting of 2850 calories per day at the moment. Possibly moving up to around 3200 on cycle.

Basal Metabolic Rate
Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
66 + 1178.2 + 900 - 306 
= 1838,2 bmr
Mod. active = BMR X 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
1838,2 x 1.55
= 2849,21.


Proposed 16 week cycle:
Equi @ 700 per week and Testcyp @ 500 per week
Turinabol for 3 wks start up
Proviron
Anastrozole low doseage thru out
Nolvadex pct
Clomid pct
hCG pct and during the latter part of cycle
Aromasin pct

Also have Milk Thistle and Solal SAMe which I will cycle alternate months

questions.??
1.Not sure on neccesity to run Anastrozole thru out.
2.was thinking of running Proviron thru out starting at low doseage and increasing gradually upto around 100mg

Goals:
Put on 10kgs of lean mass on last Equi cycle and looking to achieve around the same again.
I want lean hard gains in muscle around shoulders, arms, chest, back, legs, and calves.

Any comments welcome.

Goals, Stats, BMR calculation, training experience, proposed cycle, questions. Basically what I'm saying is:

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The OCD Maths guy inside me wants you to know that your BMR is 1848 and not 1838. He also said that makes your RMR 2864 and not 2850 but I told him to shut his pie-hole cause that doesn't make a difference!

Your proposed cycle is fine compounds wise. Remember that you will run the Test-Cyp 14 days longer than the EQ to get the same date to start your PCT. You are running T-Bol too short I would recommend 6 weeks when using Cyp as Cyp does take a while to kick in normally.
Any reason why you want to run Anastrozole throughout? I would only add it in as a proactive measure when you know you are gonna get gyno caused by the test. This is from experience from your previous cycle.
NB! DON'T take milk thistle on cycle as you will throw away some gains! Use it before your cycle, and during PCT and then after the PCT.
Are you gonna run the PCT meds according to Doctari's protocol?
No need to taper up the Proviron. Just run it at 50/60mg throughout your cycle.
Your gains will be lean and hard depending 100% on how clean your diet is.

j1pvt wrote:

Proposed 16 week cycle:
Equi @ 700 per week and Testcyp @ 500 per week
Turinabol for 3 wks start up (Run 6 weeks @ min 40mg ED)
Proviron (run @ 40mg - 60mg ED)
Anastrozole low doseage thru out (If you are gyno prone - mon/wed/fri @ 0.2mg, taper down 3 weeks before end of cycle)
Nolvadex pct
Clomid pct
hCG pct and during the latter part of cycle
Aromasin pct

Also have Milk Thistle and Solal SAMe which I will cycle alternate months (Milk thistle 3 weeks before cycle, and essentiale in cycle)

questions.??
1.Not sure on neccesity to run Anastrozole thru out. No need to use throughout if you not gyno prone. Keep it at hand
2.was thinking of running Proviron thru out starting at low doseage and increasing gradually upto around 100mg Use Proviron throughout @ 40mg - 60mg.

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Oupa wrote: lol Pyro... nice

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Pyroclasm wrote:
Hahaha much respect! Notice how your post and mine is potato/potato..

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Lol you guys are totally in sync... thanks for all the valuable input.

Pyroclasm wrote: The OCD Maths guy inside me wants you to know that your BMR is 1848 and not 1838. He also said that makes your RMR 2864 and not 2850 but I told him to shut his pie-hole cause that doesn't make a difference!

Your proposed cycle is fine compounds wise. Remember that you will run the Test-Cyp 14 days longer than the EQ to get the same date to start your PCT. You are running T-Bol too short I would recommend 6 weeks when using Cyp as Cyp does take a while to kick in normally.
Any reason why you want to run Anastrozole throughout? I would only add it in as a proactive measure when you know you are gonna get gyno caused by the test. This is from experience from your previous cycle.
NB! DON'T take milk thistle on cycle as you will throw away some gains! Use it before your cycle, and during PCT and then after the PCT.
Are you gonna run the PCT meds according to Doctari's protocol?
No need to taper up the Proviron. Just run it at 50/60mg throughout your cycle.
Your gains will be lean and hard depending 100% on how clean your diet is.

Lol at your OCD guy.., I have a similar chatting to me too...
Didn't occur to me to run testcyp 14 days extra, thanks for that, my last equip/testcyp cycle I ended both on the same day and counted out 50 days till PCT started.
Youre right about testcyp kicking in late, its been suggested that tbol shouldnt run longer than 6 weeks so I was trying to be conservative there. Point taken I will adjust.
Anastrozole is mostly for gyno but as an Anti E it should also contribute towards keeping water retention down and I notice some cycles will run it all the way thru on a very light dose. (0.2mg) As indicated Im still in 2 minds about this. Last cycle I had minor itchiness in the nipples which would come and go, It wasnt serious enough to act but I dont want to be taking chances either... the cost is high too so think I will have a bottle on hand and take it as it comes. Maybe a low bi weekly dose?
Thanks for the heads up on milk thistle :ohmy: hadnt realized this, and what r your thoughts on SAMe..??

On PCT, having done my first cycle with dangerously limited knowledge on PCT I am very pro the whole process, I could see very clearly on my last cycle how efficient PCT can be at holding gains.. (not to mention good restoration of sex drive)
With this in mind your PCT becomes as important as your cycle..
And on this cycle my focus has been on Anti E's and their benefits.., as a Type 1 suicide inhibitor Aromasin appeals to me during PCT in terms of holding gains by preventing estrogen rebound even after the drug has cleared circulation...
Correct me if Im not seeing the full picture but Im quite keen to gauge the results of Aromasin post cycle.
Will adjust Proviron and run 50 per day.thanks
Yes, clean diet is the next question, Ive been working on that for a while and have it as clean as I see fit, but then again theres always room for improvement, maybe I'll post it here and ask for comments.
Thanks for your valuable input.

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:

Proposed 16 week cycle:
Equi @ 700 per week and Testcyp @ 500 per week
Turinabol for 3 wks start up (Run 6 weeks @ min 40mg ED)
Proviron (run @ 40mg - 60mg ED)
Anastrozole low doseage thru out (If you are gyno prone - mon/wed/fri @ 0.2mg, taper down 3 weeks before end of cycle)
Nolvadex pct
Clomid pct
hCG pct and during the latter part of cycle
Aromasin pct

Also have Milk Thistle and Solal SAMe which I will cycle alternate months (Milk thistle 3 weeks before cycle, and essentiale in cycle)

questions.??
1.Not sure on neccesity to run Anastrozole thru out. No need to use throughout if you not gyno prone. Keep it at hand
2.was thinking of running Proviron thru out starting at low doseage and increasing gradually upto around 100mg Use Proviron throughout @ 40mg - 60mg.

Roger that on the Tbol.
I like the idea of low dose 3 weekly on Anastrozole, thanks.
Thanks for the milk thistle heads up, will change that and stock up on essentiale.
Yes Proviron @ 50 thru out.

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:

Proposed 16 week cycle:
Equi @ 700 per week and Testcyp @ 500 per week
Turinabol for 3 wks start up (Run 6 weeks @ min 40mg ED)
Proviron (run @ 40mg - 60mg ED)
Anastrozole low doseage thru out (If you are gyno prone - mon/wed/fri @ 0.2mg, taper down 3 weeks before end of cycle)
Nolvadex pct
Clomid pct
hCG pct and during the latter part of cycle
Aromasin pct

Also have Milk Thistle and Solal SAMe which I will cycle alternate months (Milk thistle 3 weeks before cycle, and essentiale in cycle)

questions.??
1.Not sure on neccesity to run Anastrozole thru out. No need to use throughout if you not gyno prone. Keep it at hand
2.was thinking of running Proviron thru out starting at low doseage and increasing gradually upto around 100mg Use Proviron throughout @ 40mg - 60mg.

As a matter of interest Oupa why taper down towards cycle end on Anastrozole.?

My diet at the moment runs around a 45/35/20 macronutrient spilt.
45% Protein – 35% Carbs – 20% fats.
This for the last 6 months as per Rob Riches.com.
Prior to this I ran a Ketogenic diet for a couple months on around 45/10/45 split.
My general daily routine consists of the following:
Break1 – Oats, whey shake.
Break2 – Flax oil, 2egg whites, 2full eggs, organic pumpernickel bread.
Normally allow 2 coffees in the morning somewhere.
Lunch – 250gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad with tom, lett, celery, fennel, onion.
Workout - BCAA's inner armour.
Post workout – 2/3 plums, 3 digestive biscuits, whey shake with creatine and glycomaize.(in order)
Dinner – 150gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad.
Prebed – 250gr cottage cheese, sometimes with peanut butter.
Whatever I do during the day I always try to hit 2850 calories and over 300grams protein.
Water at 4 to 5 litres.

All comments welcome.

j1pvt wrote:
As a matter of interest Oupa why taper down towards cycle end on Anastrozole.?

In cycle you want to limit estrogen sides by using adex, but comes pct your body will require estrogen for normal functioning... your SERM's will do the job for recovering test production and allow for enough Estro.. The tapering also assists that your hypothalamus doesn't suddenly notice your low estrogen and shutdown of your balls.

Tapering is basically bullshitting your system

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:
As a matter of interest Oupa why taper down towards cycle end on Anastrozole.?

In cycle you want to limit estrogen sides by using adex, but comes pct your body will require estrogen for normal functioning... your SERM's will do the job for recovering test production and allow for enough Estro.. The tapering also assists that your hypothalamus doesn't suddenly notice your low estrogen and shutdown of your balls.

Tapering is basically bullshitting your system

okay understood,
so should I then start tapering once I stop the Equi and taper off during the final 14 days of testcyp?

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:
As a matter of interest Oupa why taper down towards cycle end on Anastrozole.?

In cycle you want to limit estrogen sides by using adex, but comes pct your body will require estrogen for normal functioning... your SERM's will do the job for recovering test production and allow for enough Estro.. The tapering also assists that your hypothalamus doesn't suddenly notice your low estrogen and shutdown of your balls.

Tapering is basically bullshitting your system

If this is the case would you think Aromasin not necessary during PCT?

You will be using Proviron to prevent Water Ret and limit E sides. Rather keep the Adex on hand bud. When you get those itchy nips, take a 3 week taper cycle with Adex.

If you stop taking arimidex without tapering you will get a rebound of high estrogen which can cause gyno symptoms and slow recovery. Same with letro. You can prevent this by switching to aromasin or tapering off.

Muscleaddict wrote: If you stop taking arimidex without tapering you will get a rebound of high estrogen which can cause gyno symptoms and slow recovery. Same with letro. You can prevent this by switching to aromasin or tapering off.

Thanks MA,
So hypothetically speaking if all goes well I wont need to use armidex,
If I do have to because of itchy nips.., then a 3 week dose and switch to aromasin.
But what if I run to the end of cycle?, surely my 50 day clearing period should be free of any meds?
And if I do switch to Aro after Armi then how long is it necessary to run for.??

j1pvt wrote: So hypothetically speaking if all goes well I wont need to use armidex, Correct
If I do have to because of itchy nips.., then a 3 week dose and switch to aromasin. I suggest run adex until the sides are gone, then start the taper off (if you are not tapering adex, switch to Aromasin)
But what if I run to the end of cycle?, surely my 50 day clearing period should be free of any meds? Have you considered a bridge ?
And if I do switch to Aro after Armi then how long is it necessary to run for.??Bud dont over complicate things. Run Adex until sides are gone (+- 3 weeks) and then taper off with adex. Keep the Aromasin for use with PCT.

This is how i ran (LP) adex without any negative sides. (Guideline itchy nips / Water Ret)

( @ dose was taken per day mentioned )

Week 1 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.4mg
Week 2 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.2mg
Week 3 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.2mg
Week 4 (Mon/Thu) @ 0.2mg
Week 5 (Thu) @ 0.2mg

Oupa wrote: This is how i ran (LP) adex without any negative sides. (Guideline itchy nips)

( @ dose was taken per day mentioned )

Week 1 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.4mg
Week 2 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.2mg
Week 3 (mon/wed/fri) @ 0.2mg
Week 4 (Mon/Thu) @ 0.2mg
Week 5 (Thu) @ 0.2mg

Sorted thanks.

Have you considered a bridge ?
And if I do switch to Aro after Armi then how long is it necessary to run for.??Bud dont over complicate things. Run Adex until sides are gone (+- 3 weeks) and then taper off with adex. Keep the Aromasin for use with PCT.[/quote][/quote]

1. Bridge??
2. Agreed, will taper as per your guidelines.

Bridge is the period you wait from your last pin to pct. (that 50+ days with long esters)

Something like anavar for 6 weeks or winstrol ? You can run the Anavar until 2 days before PCT. No 50 day time waiting and maximizing your results ?

PS - @ our age a short ester test works well

Oupa wrote: Bridge is the period you wait from your last pin to pct. (that 50+ days with long esters)

Something like anavar for 6 weeks or winstrol ? You can run the Anavar until 2 days before PCT. No 50 day time waiting and maximizing your results ?

Oh I see what you mean.
Hadnt considered that.., will give it some thought and research.
You mean run that thru Equi clearing period bcos they have short clearing period.?

j1pvt wrote: You mean run that thru Equi clearing period bcos they have short clearing period.?

Correct