Equi / Testcyp. 3rd Cycle Planning.

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote: You mean run that thru Equi clearing period bcos they have short clearing period.?

Correct

Yes I like this idea, just gotta watch the rising costs of this cycle now.
Also 16 weeks is a looooooong time to be on cycle ...,
need to research this a bit.

Oupa wrote:
PS - @ our age a short ester test works well

Just an idea......

Payday will pass twice before you start your bridge

Oupa wrote: Just an idea......

Payday will pass twice before you start your bridge

True

Any comments on HCG run thru the later part of cycle?
This is what I did on my last cycle and it worked well.
250 iu @ 2 x p/week from week 5 or 6.

Thats perfect bud, i do the exact same dose.

Only difference is - i don't do long esters, my system just don't like it. Max cycle for me is 10 weeks excluding pct time.

Oupa wrote: Thats perfect bud, i do the exact same dose.

Only difference is - i don't do long esters, my system just don't like it

Yeah its a bit of a worry with the BP discussion.., but my goal is always quality gains.
I like the job equi does but Im open to suggestions..

Oupa wrote: Only difference is - i don't do long esters, my system just don't like it. Max cycle for me is 10 weeks excluding pct time.

Would you have a sample cycle you could post here.
I havnt placed my order yet and Im open to consideration here.

Lets call it the 40+ cycle hahahaha (all depends on BF)

But i cycle this - Green is primary, Red is secondary (if needed)

(PGW)Test prop - 10 weeks @ - (1.5ml EOD)
(PGW)Nandro prop (NPP) - 8 weeks @ - (1ml EOD)
(LP or Oraltec)Proviron - 11.5 weeks @ - (60mg ED)
(LP or Oraltec)Clen - Week 5 to 10 - @ 120mcg ED (day 1-4 @40mcg)(day 4-7 @ 80mcg)(day 8-41 @120mcg) (2 x beta sleep ED before bed)
(LP)Yohimbe - week 5 to 10 @ 10mg ED.
HCG - Week 4 - 11 @ 500ui PW (250ui mon/thu)

PCT
(LP)Clomid - 7 days @ 100mg ED
(LP)Nolvadex day 8 - 38 @ 20mg ED
(LP)Aromasin day 7 - 38 @ 20mg ED

And...............

Alternatively if i don't feel like proviron, i run Masteron Prop @ 1ml EOD for 8-10 weeks

Oupa wrote: Lets call it the 40+ cycle hahahaha (all depends on BF)

Lol..
Thanks Oupa, will look into the compounds.
Just off the bat dont particularly like the EOD shots... intra muscular weekly suits much better obviously.
Tried clen after cycle last year and it had zero effect on me... very strange (source was totally reliable).
Is that why you use the beta sleep in the evenings?
Interesting cycle, why so many fat loss compounds if I may ask.?

j1pvt wrote:
Tried clen after cycle last year and it had zero effect on me... very strange (source was totally reliable).
Is that why you use the beta sleep in the evenings?

That's very strange that it had no effect, how did you cycle it? Clen gives me random jitters, and body temp is up by 1c. Am I the only one having summer in winter ?

Betasleep regulates ß2 receptors making clen more effective and for longer periods. With no betasleep you have to pyramid clen and cycle 2 weeks on / off

Interesting cycle, why so many fat loss compounds if I may ask.?

I cycle clen/yoh twice a year on. (10 weeks max Per Year) When i had a bulk diet, my clen/yoh cycle works magic for burning that stubborn last % of bf towards the end of my cycle.

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:
Tried clen after cycle last year and it had zero effect on me... very strange (source was totally reliable).
Is that why you use the beta sleep in the evenings?

That's very strange that it had no effect, how did you cycle it? Clen gives me random jitters, and body temp is up by 1c. Am I the only one having summer in winter ?

Betasleep regulates ß2 receptors making clen more effective and for longer periods. With no betasleep you have to pyramid clen and cycle 2 weeks on / off

Interesting cycle, why so many fat loss compounds if I may ask.?

I cycle clen/yoh twice a year on. (10 weeks max Per Year) When i had a bulk diet, my clen/yoh cycle works magic for burning that stubborn last % of bf towards the end of my cycle.

My body temp was up but couldn't drop any fat , had slight jitters the first day then nothing....
Ja I used zetofen in the evenings.
I did get a terrible muscle cramp in the leg one day whilst working calves..., but no fat loss.. weird.
Started taking tons of taurine and had no more issues., but no fat loss.. ??
hmm maybe I should try it with yohimbe next time.

Have you been using *over the counter* fatburners / stims for a long time ? And how long did you cycle the clen for, and @ what dose ?

j1pvt wrote: My diet at the moment runs around a 45/35/20 macronutrient spilt.
45% Protein – 35% Carbs – 20% fats.
This for the last 6 months as per Rob Riches.com.
Prior to this I ran a Ketogenic diet for a couple months on around 45/10/45 split. (A ballpark figure for the max amount of carbs you can have while on keto is 30g per day. And remember a lot of the foods you eat be it lean contain trace amounts of carbs that add up. So the way we do keto is by aiming for zero carbs in the day. If you tell me you allocated 10% of your calories I will tell you without a doubt that you were never in a state of ketosis.
My general daily routine consists of the following:
Break1 – Oats, whey shake.
Break2 – Flax oil, 2egg whites, 2full eggs, organic pumpernickel bread. This is no where near enough protein. Try 2full eggs with 8 egg whites
Normally allow 2 coffees in the morning somewhere.No sugar neh!
Lunch – 250gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad with tom, lett, celery, fennel, onion.
Workout - BCAA's inner armour.
Post workout – 2/3 plums, 3 digestive biscuits, whey shake with creatine and glycomaize.(in order) Eish not good bro! This meal is NB3!!! Try 50g Dextrose with 40g Whey Isolate. Then also NB is your post workout meal 1h after your shake. Lots of carbs and slightly less protein than normal here.
Dinner – 150gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad.
Prebed – 250gr cottage cheese, sometimes with peanut butter. YEBO YES!
Whatever I do during the day I always try to hit 2850 calories and over 300grams protein.
Water at 4 to 5 litres.

All comments welcome.

No way in hell are you even close to 200g protein per day let alone 300g. Unless you take like 100g of protein per shake?
Also bro I need the exact amount of e.g Oats you are eating? It is very NB that you weigh your food neh!

@Oupa: Why does your old toppie cycle run NPP for 8 weeks and Test-Prop for 10 weeks? Why not run them the same duration?

Pyroclasm wrote:
@Oupa: Why does your old toppie cycle run NPP for 8 weeks and Test-Prop for 10 weeks? Why not run them the same duration?

(PPP) Personal Preference Pyro

I am aware that NPP is 16days and TP 14days before pct, but i find my recovery and libido much better when taking test (primary) longer than my secondary substances.

Give and take how i find my health and condition at the time, I custom my cycle length and substance accordingly but responsibly. Never less than 8 weeks, hardly ever exceeded 10 weeks.

I have also never used any other test / nadro compounds other than prop. I have always done blood before and after cycles, so i know what my system appreciates

3 x 8 week cycles a year...... what more do you want ?

Pyroclasm wrote:

j1pvt wrote: My diet at the moment runs around a 45/35/20 macronutrient spilt.
45% Protein – 35% Carbs – 20% fats.
This for the last 6 months as per Rob Riches.com.
Prior to this I ran a Ketogenic diet for a couple months on around 45/10/45 split. (A ballpark figure for the max amount of carbs you can have while on keto is 30g per day. And remember a lot of the foods you eat be it lean contain trace amounts of carbs that add up. So the way we do keto is by aiming for zero carbs in the day. If you tell me you allocated 10% of your calories I will tell you without a doubt that you were never in a state of ketosis.
My general daily routine consists of the following:
Break1 – Oats, whey shake.
Break2 – Flax oil, 2egg whites, 2full eggs, organic pumpernickel bread. This is no where near enough protein. Try 2full eggs with 8 egg whites
Normally allow 2 coffees in the morning somewhere.No sugar neh!
Lunch – 250gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad with tom, lett, celery, fennel, onion.
Workout - BCAA's inner armour.
Post workout – 2/3 plums, 3 digestive biscuits, whey shake with creatine and glycomaize.(in order) Eish not good bro! This meal is NB3!!! Try 50g Dextrose with 40g Whey Isolate. Then also NB is your post workout meal 1h after your shake. Lots of carbs and slightly less protein than normal here.
Dinner – 150gr boiled chicken, butternut, salad.
Prebed – 250gr cottage cheese, sometimes with peanut butter. YEBO YES!
Whatever I do during the day I always try to hit 2850 calories and over 300grams protein.
Water at 4 to 5 litres.

All comments welcome.

No way in hell are you even close to 200g protein per day let alone 300g. Unless you take like 100g of protein per shake?
Also bro I need the exact amount of e.g Oats you are eating? It is very NB that you weigh your food neh! ;

Thanks for the feedback Pyro,
Ive attached , as an example, my daily nutritional breakdown for last saturday the 4th of may,

As you will see protein shakes are 2,6 scoops, ie 72 grams per shake twice daily, morning and post workout.
(the second entry on this day was incorrect and should read 2,6)
Which equates to 62 grams of protein per shake.
All food is weighed out, even protein shakes.
Oats are 50 grams.
No sugar used ever, solal stevia used in coffee.
Re NB3, my approach here is to try and create and insulin spike immediately post workout with the plums and biscuits.
That is followed 5 mins later by my whey shake which has glycomaize and creatine.
This is all experimental and open to criticism.
Would love to have DJ's input here......

Oupa wrote: Have you been using *over the counter* fatburners / stims for a long time ? And how long did you cycle the clen for, and @ what dose ?

Man I cannot remember the dosage , tried liquid first then tabs, and would have definitely pushed it for a substantial period,
I remember I did taper it up as high as was safe, and was religious about the ketotifen.
Never used any fat burners before so big ???

Process of elimination - that's my reason for the fatburn question.. Could diet related, could be downregulated receptors, shit bud, could be anything..

I have never seen anyone not responding to proper clen @ 120mcg ED. Only with kak brands there is limited to no effects ...

Sorry I didn't reply bro I didn't see your diary entries. You are drinking a lot of coffee hey and that could be a reason the Clen doesn't work so effectively for you. Caffeine has an effect to down-regulate the Beta-2 Receptors which what the Clen goes for. Another reason is that you had 77g of sugars on this given day which is just too much. Most of these sugars come from all the dairy you are eating. I mean chocolate digestives? Really? Also stay away from instant coffee it's also mostly dextrose which is a fast digesting carb. Matter of fact my rule is stay away from anything with the word 'instant' written on it!

I also see you take 70g whey isolate in the mornings. Do you find that you fart a lot? There is also a lot of protein the yoghurt you eat with it so that even more protein.

Pyroclasm wrote: Sorry I didn't reply bro I didn't see your diary entries. You are drinking a lot of coffee hey and that could be a reason the Clen doesn't work so effectively for you. Caffeine has an effect to down-regulate the Beta-2 Receptors which what the Clen goes for. Another reason is that you had 77g of sugars on this given day which is just too much. Most of these sugars come from all the dairy you are eating. I mean chocolate digestives? Really? Also stay away from instant coffee it's also mostly dextrose which is a fast digesting carb. Matter of fact my rule is stay away from anything with the word 'instant' written on it!

I also see you take 70g whey isolate in the mornings. Do you find that you fart a lot? There is also a lot of protein the yoghurt you eat with it so that even more protein.

Sorry for the confusion, the coffee I mix with whey protein shakes is decaf and purely for flavoring as I use Pro10 unflavoured Isolate.
Coffee is maximum 2 a day, sometimes zero.
Coffee and anything caffeine related was strictly discontinued way before I started using Clen, I already have problems sleeping and wasnt going to complicate gauging my results further.
I hear you on the sugars tho, def need to tighten things up a bit on the diet, have tried contacting DJ but he hasnt responded yet, must be busy.
Yes the whey does make a lot of gas.., but the alternative is to bang up chicken to 5/600grams pd and I find that digesting that is difficult too, so I just stick to the whey.

Thing is bro the gas is protein excreted by the body that it was unable to use. So you are literally farting away your money!

Pyroclasm wrote: Thing is bro the gas is protein excreted by the body that it was unable to use. So you are literally farting away your money!

Hmmm, lol interesting fact, don't have an answer to that problem yet.

j1pvt wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Thing is bro the gas is protein excreted by the body that it was unable to use. So you are literally farting away your money!

Hmmm, lol interesting fact, don't have an answer to that problem yet.

Whahaha Brilliant !

j1pvt wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Thing is bro the gas is protein excreted by the body that it was unable to use. So you are literally farting away your money!

Hmmm, lol interesting fact, don't have an answer to that problem yet.

But fact noted, so maybe spread those 4 scoops out over 4 meals till the gas stops..?