First time tren user

Hey guys,

Been a while since I posted here,

So I've decided to use some tren for the first time and was hoping the experts or those with previous tren experience could help me out.

Now I know most people recommend using tren a instead of tren e for a first time user due to the fact that if there are unwanted sides, they will clear quicker, I am just not a fan of pinning EOD and prefer twice per week.

I am going for sheer mass on this cycle and am not really worried about staying lean, just looking for a good winter mass cycle.

So what are your guys opinions on tren cycles? Some say run tren higher than test and some say run test higher than tren? What is best?

Also I will be running cabergoline on cycle as I am prone to prolactin Gyno from past experience with Deca and I wasn't very clued up on this so playing it safe this time, what dosage of caber is needed as I have never used it before?

Also, this may be a silly question, but would it be necessary to run an AI like arimidex on cycle with test and tren or will I only need the caber?

Cycle would look like this:
Test E (Dosage???)
Tren E( Dosage???)
Dbol - 50mgs per day weeks 1 to 4

Prior cycle experience:
Oral cycles (stupid I know!!! Lol) of dbol only and winstrol only
Test E only with proviron - 600mgs per week
Test E 600mgs per week with Deca 450mgs per week an proviron yet still got slight Gyno from deca
Supertest and Equipoise with anavar, winstrol bridge to pct

This will now be my 4th injectable cycle...

Stats:
6 foot 1 height
213lbs weight

Any advice will be greatly appreciated guys.. Also would dbol be a good oral for ths cycle? I have had great gains from dbol in the past, even though it was on a dbol only cycle lol or should I try anadrol or this stuff called "Masterol" which I have heard of, does anyone know anything about this? My source says it is powerful stuff.

Sorry for such a long post guys but really hoping I can get some good advice on the right way to so things.

Thanks again
Cheers

Hey man,
seeing as your running test, i would definitely run an AI.
Test E: stick with 600/w
Tren E: start with 150x2 per week, if you can handle sides up it to 200x2 per week...
Caber should definitely prevent prolactin gyno.
If you dont mind water retention then Dbol is fine ofcourse.
Have never heard of Masterol lol, And i wouldnt run Adrol just yet, its your first time trying tren,
its good to familiarize the sides you will get from tren, with tren itself...
Are you set on running tren E, because Tren A would be a much better option, especially since
its your first time, Tren A will allow you to minimize side effects and cut dosages at any time you want.

Thanks a lot for the reply Ball,

Would Arimidex be fine as an AI? If so what dosage as I have never used it before..
And also caber dosage?

I don't mind the water retention lol like I sai I'm not too fussed about the abs on this cycle just want a good bulk.

Do you have any opinions on running the test lower and the tren higher? I've heard this is good if you want to eliminate estrogen side effects and also sides in general..

And the reason I chose test e is I'm not a fan of pinning lol although I know that's all part of the game but I woul prefer twice a week jabs to ED or EOD, also, I only jab glutes and have not learned how to jab anywhere else so I'm a bit scared to be honest lol...

Thanks again for your help
Cheers

Ducler Des Rauches wrote: Thanks a lot for the reply Ball,

Would Arimidex be fine as an AI? Yes
If so what dosage as I have never used it before..
Refer to your old post - www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...se-guys?limitstart=0
And also caber dosage? 0.5mg twice a week

Ball wrote: Hey man,
seeing as your running test, i would definitely run an AI.

No need to run an AI as a rule. I would only use an AI if I was getting gyno symptoms or if I know I am prone to estrogen/progesterone gyno. Remember that AI's do hinder gains a little bit especially Letro.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Ball wrote: Hey man,
seeing as your running test, i would definitely run an AI.

No need to run an AI as a rule. I would only use an AI if I was getting gyno symptoms or if I know I am prone to estrogen/progesterone gyno. Remember that AI's do hinder gains a little bit especially Letro.

Thanks Pyro!

Any advice on the test and tren dosages? So I will keep arimidex on hand in case and use the caber

Test should always be higher than the 19-nor (Tren or Deca). I cannot stress how much I would prefer you do Tren Ace instead of Enanthate for a first time. You can really go through hell and back with tren and being in hell for 5 weeks is no joke! Man up dude! You can get away with pinning 3 times a week.

Week 1-12: Test-En @600mg/Week
Week 8-14: Tren Ace @240mg/Week

The idea is to get to know exactly how your body responds to Tren. So by week 6 you will feel the test kick in properly and then by week 9 or 10 you will feel the difference the tren makes as well as any new sides will logically be the Tren.

If your body fat percentage is low enough you can add Masteron (which is a kick ass cycle judging by the reviews). Otherwise add proviron.

Also Remember

Using your AI (Adex or Letro) to control your estrogen will keep prolactin low.

I.M.O

I would use the AI to control estrogen in the first weeks of test and dbol and then taper down. Rather keep the caber on hand.

Pyroclasm wrote: Man up dude! You can get away with pinning 3 times a week.

Week 1-12: Test-En @600mg/Week
Week 8-14: Tren Ace @240mg/Week

Tjomma, daai is n kak idee.

As hy 3 keer n week gaan pin, dan kan hy maar test prop en masteron saam met die tren spuit.

Jou Antie man! haha Ek sien nie huko hy nie twee keer ´n week Test-En + Tren kan spuit en dan Tren nog een keer ´n week nie. Hy kan tot die Test-En drie keer ´n week spuit dis wat ek sou doen. Test-Prop is kak duur!

Translation for Decler: Your Auntie man! haha I don´t see why he can´t pin Test-En + Tren twice a week and then Tren once a week extra. He can even inject the test three times a week that's what I would do. Test-Prop is fucking expensive!

Edit: On a related note, Google translate sucks the big one!

Gaanie stry nie, ons sal hieroor boks op email.

As you were buddy, carry on.

Thanks for your help guys, actually I can get pgw test prop for a really good price from my supplier.

Do you think it would be better to do what oupa said and run test prop and tren ace with dbol?

If so would this be good as a mass cycle or more along the lines of a cutting cycle? Suppose diet will control my gains too..
If I had to go this route what would my dosages be?

Is it ok to pin these mon, wed and fri?

Also with pinning more frequently is it ok to pin only in the glutes or should I try different spots? Anyone have info on how to pin shoulders or quads? Sorry I am still a bit of a newb with jabbing as I have only ever jabbed my glutes...

So what's the final verdict on the AI vs the Caber? A few conflictin opinions lol damn why does it have to be so confusing!
Thanks a mil guys I really appreciate the help

Even though an AI does decrease prolactin levels one can still have high prolactin levels but not know this as the symptoms of elevated prolactin is not visible under low estrogen conditions.

With that in mind how would you know when to take the cabaser?

It has been advised by some of the senior members here to run caber throughout the cycle which makes sense.

Elevated prolactin levels will also hinder your recovery post cycle.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Even though an AI does decrease prolactin levels one can still have high prolactin levels but not know this as the symptoms of elevated prolactin is not visible under low estrogen conditions.

With that in mind how would you know when to take the cabaser?

It has been advised by some of the senior members here to run caber throughout the cycle which makes sense.

Elevated prolactin levels will also hinder your recovery post cycle.

Very true because I got slight Gyno from test and deca even though I was running proviron throughout..
So do you suggest running caber at 1mg per week and just have the arimidex on hand in case of any other sides from estrogen?

haha Bud Proviron is really not gonna do much it is really over-rated in terms of gyno prevention. Like Prog is saying I would leave the AI and run Cabasser throughout. Also leave the D-Bol as you want to see exactly how your body responds to the Tren. Then once you know what goes for what then you can play around with your next Tren cycle. I am sure Oupa is very happy that you are gonna run Prop and not En. hahaha

Week 1-8: Test Prop @150mg EOD
Week 1-8: Tren Ace @80mg EOD

You will need a new injection site yes.

What is your bodyfat percentage? Also Tren is super anabolic so if your diet says bulk then you will bulk up like a machine!

Ducler Des Rauches wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Even though an AI does decrease prolactin levels one can still have high prolactin levels but not know this as the symptoms of elevated prolactin is not visible under low estrogen conditions.

With that in mind how would you know when to take the cabaser?

It has been advised by some of the senior members here to run caber throughout the cycle which makes sense.

Elevated prolactin levels will also hinder your recovery post cycle.

Very true because I got slight Gyno from test and deca even though I was running proviron throughout..
So do you suggest running caber at 1mg per week and just have the arimidex on hand in case of any other sides from estrogen?

Hi man, i have never used a 19 or cabaser. So take my post with a pinch of salt. So not sure about dose. A while back i was doing some research and asked some similar questions here. It was advised by the likes of ma and other senior guys to run it through the cycle. That way if gyno does pop its head out you know its more than likely from the test.

Im still researching all this prolactin/19nor/estrogen thing before i touch it.

Pyroclasm wrote: haha Bud Proviron is really not gonna do much it is really over-rated in terms of gyno prevention. Like Prog is saying I would leave the AI and run Cabasser throughout. Also leave the D-Bol as you want to see exactly how your body responds to the Tren. Then once you know what goes for what then you can play around with your next Tren cycle. I am sure Oupa is very happy that you are gonna run Prop and not En. hahaha

Week 1-8: Test Prop @150mg EOD
Week 1-8: Tren Ace @80mg EOD

You will need a new injection site yes.

What is your bodyfat percentage? Also Tren is super anabolic so if your diet says bulk then you will bulk up like a machine!

Body fat: 12%

Are the sides really THAT bad from tren? Even if I do choose the tren e..
I have never used short acting esters and do prefer longer acting ones,

Any advice on using a combo of test, deca and tren? I have heard mixed reviews with some saying dont use 2 19-nor in one cycles and others swearing by it...

Even if it's something like this:

Test E: 900mgs per week
Deca: 700mgs per week
Tren E: 150 - 300mgs per week (start with 150 as a small dose)

I reacted really well with deca and grew like a weed lol only problem was the Gyno but never got deca dick or anything else,

Do you think maybe I should just leave the tren out completely and just hit a big test and deca cycle with dbol or anadrol kickstart??

Or I could do test e, deca, and tren a but split the injections into 3 times a week with dbol frontload, that way the dbol and tren a will kick in fast and then a few weeks later the deca and test will kick in..

I want to do quite a big cycle and gain serious mass, I will be honest and say I am S&$@ scared of the tren because of some of the horror stories I have heard but I suppose you never know until you try..

Pyroclasm wrote: I am sure Oupa is very happy that you are gonna run Prop and not En. hahaha

Not about that, i have no problems with long ester cycles. Its about his pinning schedule thats changed. Thats why i recommended prop esters.

I dont think he is mentally ready for a tren cycle anyway.

I really would like to do a tren cycle I was just wondering if the sides are really that bad..

Oupa would you recommend I stick to something's simpler like test and deca with dbol kickstart, arimidex on hand and caber throughout?

Caber is so damn hard to find!!!

Cheers

Oupa wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: I am sure Oupa is very happy that you are gonna run Prop and not En. hahaha

Not about that, i have no problems with long ester cycles. Its about his pinning schedule thats changed. Thats why i recommended prop esters.

I dont think he is mentally ready for a tren cycle anyway.

haha No I just meant you´ll be happy cause Test Prop is your favourite!

@Ducler: If you are saying <ou did so well with your last Deca Cycle then do Deca again! Deca is a BRILLIANT compound! You can even consider NPP which is the short ester of Deca.

Ducler Des Rauches wrote: Oupa would you recommend I stick to something's simpler

Cheers

Trensless cycle - Test/NPP/Masteron. Prop Esters for 10 - 12 weeks.

Tren cycle - Test/TrenA/Masteron. Prop Esters. Tren 8 weeks, Test/Mas 10 - 12 weeks..

Oupa wrote:

Ducler Des Rauches wrote: Oupa would you recommend I stick to something's simpler

Cheers

Trensless cycle - Test/NPP/Masteron. Prop Esters for 10 - 12 weeks.

Tren cycle - Test/TrenA/Masteron. Prop Esters. Tren 8 weeks, Test/Mas 10 - 12 weeks..

Thanks oupa!

Why do you suggest NPP over normal deca?

Would I need caber for the npp too?

Ducler Des Rauches wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Ducler Des Rauches wrote: Oupa would you recommend I stick to something's simpler

Cheers

Trensless cycle - Test/NPP/Masteron. Prop Esters for 10 - 12 weeks.

Tren cycle - Test/TrenA/Masteron. Prop Esters. Tren 8 weeks, Test/Mas 10 - 12 weeks..

Thanks oupa!

Why do you suggest NPP over normal deca?

Would I need caber for the npp too?

yes

Sorry I might be a bit clueless but caber throughout cycle or is it ok to start a few weeks in?

i would run it throughout, but again up to you